Suter Unveils S1000RR Powered MotoGP Bike

09/07/2010 @ 10:00 am, by Jensen Beeler8 COMMENTS

Suter Unveils S1000RR Powered MotoGP Bike Suter Racing CRT S1000RR prototype 1 560x356

When the guidelines for the 2012 MotoGP season were released, a new class of motorcycle was allowed entry into the top series of motorcycle racing. Allowing the use of production-based motors in prototype chassis, claiming rule teams will be able to enter into the series theoretically for much less money than non-factory teams could in the past, which is a move by Dorna to bolster the GP grid size.

One of the first firms to jump on the opportunity is Suter Racing Technology, the maker of one of the more popular chassis being used in Moto2 this season. Using a BMW S1000RR motor as the power plant, the prototype race bike is based heavily off Suter’s MMX Moto2 bike.

“Our goal is to offer customers a competitive but affordable chassis package, and our first estimate are costs of something between 350,000 and 600,000 Euro for one rider with a set of two bikes per season, engines not included,” said Eskil Suter. “This is obviously a higher price than our Moto2 offers, but developing a competitive MotoGP racer is also a much more complicated and costly task. Our calculation is also based on a maximum of four Suter bikes on the MotoGP grid and not on 13 bikes that we are currently running in the Moto2 class.”

For now the bike uses a stock motor, but the firm plans on introducing engine upgrades as the bike develops further. Buyers of the Suter race bike will have to source their own motors, with WSBK performance specs and beyond being possible. BMW of course is not involved with the project, because if they were, Suter could lose its claiming rule status.

Source: Suter Racing Technology

Comment:

  1. Ken C. says:

    This is great, but it would be even better if it were a BMW factory backed bike. They just can’t expect to have a strong showing without factory support. I’d like to see them prove me wrong though.

  2. Looks great! These new rules will at least give us a small connection with bikes we can buy off the show room floor. Bing it on!

  3. johnrdupree says:

    Jenny, you bring up an interesting point. What if a team develops a chassis around a particular production engine as a claiming rule team, and then the maker of that engine decides to enter the series with a 1000cc prototype? Does that affect the claiming rule team’s status? What if the manufacturer just gives the claiming team money but no technical support?

    Can a manufacturer supply hot rodded production engines to the claiming rule teams or do the engines have to come from a 3rd party shop? Aprilia, BMW, MV Agusta, they could all supply engines in lieu of entering a prototype. Or they could use a production engine in a prototype chassis of their own design.

    Dorna is going to have a can of worms on their hands.

  4. Jenny Gun says:

    John,

    We talked to Hervé Poncharal, head of the IRTA and Team Manager to Tech3, about that. He basically said that CRT teams will be judged on the level of involvement given to them by manufacturers. So if BMW gives Suter money, or helps develop the motor for the them, then they’re no longer a CRT. Plain and simple.

    I don’t think having the manufacturer in the series will change anything. They can’t run a production motor, and they can’t help the CRT’s.

  5. steveo says:

    so effectively this will become a 2 championship series.

    If CRT’s vs Factories. Now if BMW gives info and tech to Suter but does not fund the venture per se is he still a CRT?

    We do CRT racing in michigan for circle track. You can run certain small block V8’s. If you podium your engine can be purchased for 500 bucks no questions asked less accesories. This cuts out cheating, and big money motors. It just so happens that everyone in the series runs a chevy motor.

    So if I run a BMW and Tech 3 yamaha and gresini a Honda and someone else a Kawa and aprillia there is no reason to CR anyones engine the similarities are not there.

    This is a Prototype series, get rid of bore stroke and cylinder restrictions, keep a min weight limit high enough to exclude exotic materials. remove fuel control aids, limit rider aids to wheel spin and ABS no more gyros, and telemetry setups or corner to corner trac. control.

    That will slightly reduce costs.

    Make the series follow a pattern. Phillip ISle. Japan, China, east north europe, USA(Indy, Houston, Miller, Guna) England, Spain Italy france.

    No more qatar, japan, europe China Usa europe usa europe.

    Some common sense is needed.

    Also tell the stuffy heads that its ok to eat rice all week to be able to afford tires and gas to the next venue. Thats what makes people nuts about racing. If the money and support comes back to GP to buy 1000 a night hotels then so be it if not it will slowly disappear.

  6. johnrdupree says:

    Jenny,
    So the production motors will have to be developed by the CRTs or come from 3rd party shops like Yoshimura. Or can it? Everybody knows about Yoshimura’s ties to Suzuki. Would that disqualify me from running a GSXR1000 motor in a Suter chassis? Can Ten Kate supply CBR motors?

    Have they specified what a production motor is? I haven’t seen anything, but I haven’t looked too hard either. The reason I ask is what if an engine maker (e.g. Cosworth) wanted to offer engines to the CRTs? I’m guessing they’d have to run as a factory prototype even though they aren’t really a factory.

    I’m not poo-pooing the idea of CRTs or the new regulations, I’m just trying to figure out how people can game the system. I’m smarmy like that. I rather like the idea of the CRTs. It makes the field more like Moto2 or the old bike F1 class. You get more chassis/engine combos and more companies involved. More players = more fun.

    Steveo,
    The CRTs still won’t put too much money in their motors because they know somebody else will claim it if it’s too fast. The claiming team may not be able to use it, but they’ll keep the original team from using it, too.

    Speaking of claiming, do claimed motors count against your allotment? I should hope not.

  7. Jenny Gun says:

    The issue at point is factory involvement, which includes both money and information. Teams are certainly going to have to turn to tuning shops for motor development, and at the end of the day I guess its going to be how involved that shop is with the factory.

    Yoshimura does do a lot of work with Suzuki, but I don’t think there’s any actual ties to the company (I could be wrong on that point).

    The same could be said of Erion Racing. They’re well known Honda tuners, but no actual affiliation with Honda N.A. beyond some joint racing efforts (RLH Moto2 being the latest).

    Cosworth would be free to enter as a CRT team…they’re not a motorcycle manufacture.

    Remember this is a claiming rule, teams are only going to develop the bikes to the point they’re worth…otherwise some team would buy their engine for the preset price.

  8. Steveo says:

    I understand the purchasing end of CRT’s but still drop a supposed 25K on a motor that has little in common with the motor you are running makes little sense.

    The cost of a motor in prototype or production prototype is in the development IE cam profiles, compr ratio. porting, pocketing. Once the pattern is found costs drop significantly Albeit still rediculously expensive.

    So I run a kaw. suter runs a BMW I claim Suters motor, they just build another one, I can’t use it and they can’t. If they get another allotment then they get a fresh slug and I have a really nice technical conversation piece.

    I know that a ton of development would not go into this but still

    2nd what prevents a factory from running a production GSXR motor highly modified and not CRT status or are they limited to a non production block only?