UPDATE 2: American Chopper is back as American Chopper: Senior vs. Junior.
UPDATE: TLC has cancelled American Chopper.
Even with Paul Jr. and Mikey off of the show American Chopper, Paul Teutul Sr. has found a way to fight with his children, and further estrange himself from his family. Paul Sr. has filed a dispute with the Supreme Court of New York state (the State’s lowest court), which alleges that the elder Teutul has the right to purchase his son’s stock in Orange County Choppers Holdings, Inc., the company behind OCC.
Paul Sr. sent Paul Jr. a letter stating that he was exercising a stock option that would allow Paul Sr. to buy Paul Jr.’s position company at a pre-determined price. The stock options allegedly amount to over $500,000, while the law suit filed calls for an additional sum of $1 million in damages.
If you haven’t been following the new season of American Chopper at all, we’ll give you the 20 second synopsis so you can continue that trend. OCC is now devoid of Paul Jr., who has gone on to make his own industrial design firm, while Mikey has been in rehab for an alcohol problem.
Paul Sr. has admitted on camera to having no contact with any of his children, and remains in his fortress of solitude with newly found wife Beth Dillon. Paul Sr. has said in a number of awkward show candids that he’s happy about not having his sons there, much to the dismay of the remaining workers who still work at OCC.
Source: TMZ
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WHO CARES??????? LOL
Amazing.
Over three hundred channels on my cable network and we still can’t get a television show about real, non Milwaukee Mafia motorcyclists in the twenty first century.
Fame and disfunction cause problems in a family !!! Wow! shocking! The biker builder thing is over – move on boys! How about a show where nerds get together and build solar powered contraptions for corpratons that want to look “green”?
It was obvious to see that Senior had got swept away by his ego. You could see that he figured he was the driving force behind OCC’s success, when in fact it was Junior’s design abilities that produced nice bikes with some real flavour, while Senior’s ‘old skool’ choppers always looked… well old, and displayed for all to see that he was totally devoid of mechanical skills, as well as artistic flair. Mikey made the show enjoyable, but he started to look really depressed and unhealthy in the 5th season, and he actually made me feel sad. Add to that the delusional Senior running around pretending to do something, when he’s obviously a lay-about, and the show really had passed its due date. It’s funny, they say we don’t like qualities in others that we dislike most of all in ourselves, well Senior was a major slacker, and he would take out his self-dislike, or even self-hatred, against Junior, which just exposed him as the mean spirited old man he really is. OCC owes all its success to Pauly’s design flair, Mikey’s loveability, and the great craftsmen out in the workshop. Too bad they can’t get rid of Senior and bring back Pauly and start building motorcycles again. If I were the show’s producer, I’d poach all the guys from OCC’s workshop, bring back Vince, and start a new shop building custom cycles without the overbearing ego of Senior to spoil the mix. Now that would make for a good show, but sadly reality TV thrives with hostility, well the ratings do anyway.
To the above Steph: Well said !
This really stinks. I’ve been watching American Chopper since day one, and I’ve seen Paul Sr.’s ego grow bigger than his biceps over the years. He claims to give credit to the people who work for him, but he has never seemed sincere to me. His son Paul Jr. WAS the show in the beginning, with his inovative designs, albiet less than stellar work ethic…but his designs are what made the Teutuls rich and famous and over time, Sr. couldn’t take that. I’m afraid this is another case of the “reality show curse”, and this family may never be able to recover from it. Several of the guys who helped put OCC on the map have left for various reasons, which took the show on a downward spiral, along with the ridiculously loud bickering between Sr. and Jr…and Mikey’s increasing idiotic behavior. Rick (The artistic one with the funny beard and wide eyes) was the first one to go, then Vinnie and Cody. Now Paul Jr. is gone and is making his own way. Then you have Mikey, who is in rehab…and none of them even talk to Danny anymore. So…I wonder in the end if Sr. will only be happy when he has no one there with him at his brand new million dollar shop. No one to throw chairs through the window with, or axes through the doors, or to blow up garbage cans. It can be very lonely at the top when you keep stepping on the people who helped get you there. I hope Paul Teutul Sr. realizes that before it’s too late. But…I doubt it.
I REALLY LIKE THE SHOW, A FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN THRU SO MUCH, I
WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THEM BACK TOGETHER!
HARLEY
Maybe now they’ll stop making such hideous “motorcycles”.
Wishful thinking.
Does anyone with a life watch this $#%^? I mean, who cares about the most dysfunctional “family” on TV – look what their “success” has done to them? The custom chopper thing has been over since the first episode of this series – as soon as TV network makes a show about something exclusive & interesting, it becomes neither. These guys are not about motorcycles, they are about image, giving mainstream society the finger, and generally acting poorly. Now, mainstream society is acting like them, and look where that’s headed…… Too bad TV programmers cannot find people & content of quality & expertise to look up to, as positive role models & examples, not jackasses that are a warning to our children as to how NOT to behave. Next they’ll be wearing orange jumpsuits emblazoned with OCCF (Orange County Correctional Facility). Pitiful.
PS = these guys are motorcycle assemblers, not designers or builders. They buy the parts, make a bracket or fender, and pay some shmuck to paint it & put it all together.
OMG – How will the motorcycle industry survive without them?
=)
Sr.’s a meglomaniac and a horrible excuse for a parent
Senior is an arrogant, pompous ass. A drunk that has not recovered and can only find solace in his life by inflcitng hurt on his sons. No family is perfect, but he seems to relish in causing more and more hurt with his absurd actions and comments. That Jr. and Mkey both have gone out and are doing something constructive with their lives is to be commended. No longer servants to the OCC brand they are establishing themselves by themselves. One can only imagine what OCC could have been. As for me, I have watched my last OCC unreality show and will watch the cooking channel instead. Senior ruined himself, his family and now his show.
Just to be clear here. OCC builds choppers, not motorcycles. There’s a world of difference.
Are you guys kidding? Jr. was the pompous ass. Mikey was a loser leach from the beginning. Sr. started the business and it’s true, Jr.’s designs for the unique choppers made the business boom. But he got a free ride in from the old man’s built business. Watching them all move from one bigger building to another and finally building their own…the hummers, the fancy trucks, the big homes…it was a whirlwind. But I don’t blame Sr., a little respect people! The fighting was the show, an unfortunate state of affairs for the family, but hey, money is everything right?
Now we have boring Sr. and the guys still there building so-so bikes. And we have delusional Jr. with his new dumb logo and insignificant business. A joke. He’s nothing outside of the shop, c’mon. Mikey looks like he’s trying to dump some weight (no, it ain’t funny, nor was it ever cute Mikey. So keep going down the right path dude). Those guys as individuals are all losing and are nothing without each other. Together, they made the show. They best learn to park their egos and try to get back even a small portion of what they had. And do it by playing nicely together guys.
I honestly think Vinnie left because he couldn’t take it any more. I’m sure the tension and fights were real. He’s the one I DO miss (and certainly not that loser kid Cody either).
Their women will be the next to go….they can’t possibly be with those guys for anything other than the fast-waning monies. No money? No women. Jr. needs to get over himself. Sr. needs to get over his pride. Mikey needs to get over his addiction and do something FOR HIMSELF. That’s my 2 cents.
I watched the show & i am a girl, who doesn’t care about motorcycles, i tuned in for the drama, and paul jr. was a whiz, who needed guidance too. The father was too brutual with his ways, and should be really sorry that he lost his son over this and made enemies along the way, i am sure. I am sure sometimes, he looks like a nice father and not nice other times, to people, his staff, it was shown on TV. But that is your SON Paul Sr., try and make up and it’s too late, when you file a lawsuit against the kid. Paul Sr, has much to learn, about family. I felt the tension while watching the show. Shame on you Paul Sr. for treating those around you like it’s all about bottom lines and dollars and it’s your way of the highway. You cannot and should not rule with an iron fist or this will happen. I was shocked when i heard there was some kind of a problem and i saw now the show will be over. I wasn’t watching anyway anymore, But you have ruined your own life paul sr., and any future you have with your grandkids. You should be saying you are so sorry and make up with your family ! But you will not. i know older people do not give in, which is pride and their own shame for the way they are and they don’t even know it.
Is a tv show really worth not knowing your own son and having peace in your life. Come on, i don’t feel sorry for you at all. You will be a sad alone man. Paul Jr. stick to your guns and do your own thing, that makes you happy !
jr. is a joke and mikey a lazy bum. jr. found out real quick that the company goes on great without him. they still build great bikes. jr. is bummed out because the company is doing better than ever without him. and whats he doing, what he should be doing, designing barbecues. jr. and mikey were given a great chance. like sr. told mikey, well lets see, last year you took 60 days off and came in late the rest of the time, and jr. figured, as he said, the company couldnt make it without him. hmmm time will tell but so far occ seems to be doing great, not so much for mikey or jr, but they can blame sr for all there problems, just like wifes blame there husbands. anyway im sure, in a year or two, jr and mikey will be no longer thought of.
True to the fact Sr. X drug addict?? X Alky seen him drink club ida on shows. You are Never yo Big for your children no matter how old. To let them Go as someone else can do the jop that not a family man. Vince and Cody had enough. He marries a VERY young women. What happen to Lucy and the women who beared his chilren. Dropped everyone and know he has to be nice because he cannot lose any more help. The TV cameras should take a break fron choppers and give vinny and cody a shot and bring in paul jr. and michael for a seris. I wont watch the show just from the family angle sr just doesnt care only HIM SELF> Its A TERRIBLE THING pete
what is the matter with you people !!!- this show has provided you, me and many others with hours of entertainment – now it seems that given the first opportunity everybody wants to knock the Teutals. Yes Snr is a control freak but this is typical of somebody whose life was out of control (when he was misusing drugs and alcohol).
it seems clear from the crap that most of you have written that the show wasn’t about the choppers it was about the relationship between the two Pauls – surely the mistake was them allowing their dirty laundry to be laundered in public.
maybe the choppers they built weren’t everybody’s cup of tea but taste is one of the things that make us all unique. everybodyis entitled to an opinion but surely this does mean that everybody is entitled to launch an attack on those who are already hurting.
also why is everybody knocking the Teutals for being successful – isn’t it the American dream to aim high and succeed – i thought it was us brits that knock down those who do well.
come on people get a grip – let’s give this family the chance to rebuild their relationship and their respective businesses.
i for one wish all the members of this family the best for the future…
It really sucks when a parent forgets about family. Sr. seems to think he did it all himself when basically he just yelled and got in the way. He has changed his routine since Jr. and Mikey left. Big mistake building that large new headquarters in this economy. Why does he feel he must degrade Jr. every episode; does he think he is Howard Stern, but Stern loves his daughters. Who will Sr. leave his legacy to, the sycophants who are laughing now? Who will visit his gravesite? Only in America, I guess, is this supposed to entertain us. F’ Sr. Hope he dies alone!!!
I”ll be more than glad to “(bust a cap)” to get this problem reconciled. Later. JH
Too bad the sons, one who has NO abilitywhetever and the other who wants to take credit for the efforts of other team members. Who started and built this business?? FATHER But the sons who have no investment in the business have received an income far far what they would have received had the worked in any other bike shot. CHECK their homes & cars. They will both rely on the family name for all their future efforts and income. WONT BE NEARLY CLOSE TO WHAT THEIR DAD PAID THEM. Their entitlement is over and now the must face the real world. Wont be near as good as their father provided. PAUL Sr stand tall you went far beyond what any father would endure.
Sr. Sucks, no way around it. Jr. should get some action, think about all the abuse Jr. took prior to the show, when he was young and his dad was a drunk. It should be Jr. suing Sr.
Who else could get away with never showing up to work on time or not at all, but kids of the owner. That is the american way.
Go Senior I am sure you reached your limit. I miss vinny he came to work and was very talented. Rick I am so happy you stayed with Sr.
Good luck, I would like to know if the other son or sons still work for OCC
What a pathetic person Sr is. He’s no Dad by any stretch and I think its funny that Sr did’nt sue Jr till after Jr wanted to see the books of OCC
Paul Sr. is and always has been on steroids, he cannot think rationally anymore.
great show sadly wont be watching anymore paul sr has cast his sons aside how sad and new flunkys on occ hmm had this situation with my own dad no respect for his own son this show will come to its demise !
Wow what a great father… wasn’t there for his kids when they were younger and now sues them. What a guy! No wonder why none of them talk to him.
Enter the Wicked Stepmother and the 2 step sons. What a joke. B**ch got the old man to dump his kids so she and her sons could worm their way into the business.
$$$ Cha Ching!!$$$
Now she and Paul SR. are trying to pawn her off as some kind of mechanic? “Private Project” my A unt SS ue. What an insult! Producers are full if it if they think we are buying this trash.
Bill,
Your completely wrong, they dont build choppers, they assemble them. Overpriced junk, you can buy the parts and do the same things they are doing. My dad’s friend had one of their lower end production bikes, biggest piece of junk. Had some major problems with it, and OCC wouldnt help him out. They dont care about quality or their customers, its all about the money. As far as im concerned, im happy to be Jr and Mikey out of OCC, they are sticking together, and making it on their own. Their own father doesnt seem to care about them. Rememebr him mentioning that his dog Gus was the most important thing to him? Im sure thats the only thing that cares about him, maybe his mother, but who knows about that. Hes a cold blooded self centered prick, i hope he goes bankrupt and is forced to sell everything and gets what he deserves. I hope Jr fights him tooth and nail and gets everything he deserves, because as far as im concerned, Jr’s designs is what put OCC on the map, Sr couldnt design anything like Jr has.
Lets face it Sr. , Jr. , and Mikey have there issues. But the boys would not have been anything without there dad. Mikey is a loser and always be. Jr. is the biggest a$$ hole I have ever seen, he showed alot of respect to Sr. and the rest of the crew coming in late all the time. If my father built a company like that I would kiss his a$$.
Vinnie, you were the true talent. Too bad you weren’t an a$$hole, you might have made it big!
Watched all the episodes, here come the layoffs and massive shrinkage of OCC, no way to keep that buisness running without the advertisment that came along free with the series. OCC should be called Tanks-n-Fenders-R-Us. Other than some round bar work
and some mildly modified exhausts, computerized machined parts,they just bolt on all the goodies.
MR. J , Good point about Vinnie. I forgot about him. I think he was a threat to paul Jr. So they had to get rid of him. If it was not for the discovery channel OCC would not have gone this far
Vinnie left on his own. It was the last straw for him when Jr broke a bolt in something & told Vinne to dig it out. The mortgage & overhead on that new building must be huge. They need a huge revenue stream on a regular basis to sustain it. ….no show, bad economy, crummy bikes ….it’s going down the toilet. Jr SHOULD sell his shares to the old man while he can get something for it. In a little while it won’t be worth dog crap!
OCC sucks!!!!!!! The only thing that was good about the show was that painter in the begining……his paint made the bikes!!…….the piece of sh@! Parts catolog snap together bikes! ….no talent co@% suckers!!!!!!
Not that I really care but Sr is on drugs or some $h!t! Always wearing shades slurring his speech; dudes a really dysfuncional person notice how he doesn’t talk to any of his siblings Pauly and Mikey are just the latest victims of his life long decent into drugs and alcohol again. Bottom line is bring back Vince and the sons and start something else. Pauly is the real reason for the shows success. Remember how the business was failing until they started using using Jr’s designs, Didn’t see Sr building that widow bike. So he should be entitled to the companies profits.
Senior looks like the old liver might finally be failing. Mikey is a bum… PERIOD! As for Junior he has never really designed anything except tack on gingerbread. His ego is out of control and his design and brand will die in 6 months when the show goes off the air. His business man act is a total joke. Its kind of embarrassing to watch…. Vinnie was the real deal!
Kmon. So what if Paul Sr. was an “ass” to his kids. He is the one who created the iron + bikes business and gave a chance to his sons to do something with their lives, by offering them great jobs. It turned out that Paul Jr. was a guy who took all the credit for what other people like Vinnie did in the shop. I have no idea what you guys talk about him being a bike genius, the guys at local chopper shop in Montreal build way better looking bikes. Mike? Sorry, but I cannot believe how he can accept to sit on his ass and do nothing all day. The old man was right, he got all the chances in the world, while he was working at the OCC shop. Yet, he did not do anything to show his pop he wants to do something with his life. Now he is selling his house and moves where? To a small rented apartment?
The old man was simply tired to take care of his “dontwannadoanythingbutget paidbigmoney” sons. For crying out loud, his step sons helped him more do chores around his house then his own sons. So what if he yelled? I would yell also to my sons if I would see them shell out like that. Who is going to take care of my business? Vinnie?
Talking about Vinnie. He did good that he left. It looks like he is taking off well with that Cody kid. They have a website (vforcecustoms.com) and will start a new series show called Throttle Junkies, in few days.
In conclusion, I don’t think a second Paul Sr. did anything wrong. Anyways, it is too late. With the show cancelled, he will still be a rich guy while the 2 sons will endup 2 lonely bums. They never knew how good they had it while they worked in their dad’s shop and now they see how useless they are.
Let’s face it. The “true reality” is all families are dysfunctional. It just unfortunate that the Teutul’s demon’s where played out on national television. And now in the end, all that remains is a broken family whose patriarch will die a lonely, bitter, and convoluted man who had the power to rally his family from destruction and did nothing. Paul Jr. will no doubt be successful in his own right. He may never see the fame he once enjoyed on OCC, but his talents will afford him a comfortable life. Mikey on the other hand was a lost soul on the show and will probably continue his soul searching to find out where he fits in. Let’s not forget folks, at the end of the day all we really have is family. That’s the true prize.
I watched this show from the very first episode and I am surprised it lasted as long as it did. In the beginning it was fun watching JR and SR fighting. Then Mikey’s fat ass came in and made it a little more funnier. But then they started making money and most of what was fun about the show went away as did Vinnie and then Cody. Come on Paul Sr is pretty much useless when it comes to designing or fabricating anything. Roid Rage? I think so and maybe a little bit of Manic depressiveness? Him yelling at everyone got old in about a minute. I wish all of them luck in their future endeavours and thanks for the memories.
mikeys a loser a bum a piece of shit that couldnt survive with out the old man, how many people u know that have houses trucks money ect. for not doing a damn thing just breathing. couldnt even make a good maintanance man lazy piece of shit. wasnt funny wasnt pretty wasnt nothing but a loser. jr. shouldve kept his big mouth shu and kept rakeing in the cash,but no he had to keep fighting the old man and running his dick licker. senior is a steroid addicted moron popping the pills on the side with no sense of reailty. vinnie left becuase his boy jr left, take a look at the beaks on these guys in the shop that should give you a clew what thier doing in the restroom all day long while building (fucking up) thier so called choppers.
I think its sad that a family with so much going for them get swept up in the greed and ego’s only to loose sight of what is most important in life. Heck most of today’s society is based on greed. Your family is so very important. When a person is told they are dying I guarnatee the first thing they are NOT worried about is their big fancy homes or over priced possessions…its their family. I hope that they could make up and realize this before its too late. A father and his sons have a special bond…its sad to see greed coming between them. The last fight they had was really ridiculous..punching holes in doors and throwing chairs! and all the loud hot air coming from all of them. They all looked ignorant! And yet they make sooo much money. Do they really deserve to be paid so much money? Heck the brain surgeon who saved my life only makes 150,000 per year. And she SAVES lives and does so much good. And yet American Chopper makes multi millons! Just like all the celebrities do! What have they done so great to deserve so much wealth? That makes me angry. I think there are other things people should be that angry about. Like our military away from home, hard working people out of work and people losing their homes! Greed caused all of these problems too! Its really sad.
What a shame that these two had a falling out. My son used to love these guys. I want to go the the World Headquarters(I live about a half hr or so from there), but it stinks that I can’t get the chance to see all of the men who made this business what it is today. Paul Sr. needs some anger management and the rest of them need some therapy. I always understood why Cody and Vinnie left the show. Too much yelling and not enough productivity.
I see a lot of complaints about Jr. showing up late, have you forgotten how often he was there until after midnight finishing a bike… his dad sure did.
No matter how you feel about your child’s behavior have the common sense not to disparage them on TV. Sr. still has the poor me’s left over from his addition… I’m sure he never did his 12 steps because he takes no responsibility for anything.
Jr. Is a talent but never learned how to get along with his dad. I wish Pauly and Mikey well and hope Dad figures out how to get along like a parent.
I feel bad for all of them.
Doe’s anyone really watch this show anymore. I lost interest years ago. Wasn’t even aware they had split. I know 2 guys who actually owned OCC bikes and they were both shit bikes. The duelling Pauls got old fast. Vinnie and Rick were the talents plus that short skinny kid that painted all their parts. The money got to them and ruined the show. So yesterday’s news. I doubt anyone really gives a shit anymore.
Ever see Jr. and Sr. compete? Ever wonder why Sr. couldn’t outdo Jr.? Wonder no more. Sr. was such a joke that even when Jr. and Mikie left, he was still the butt of jokes of his employees.
Want justice? Here’s justice. Jr. drops all pretense and begins to build bikes again, not in the “quick, get ‘em out” fashion that Sr. favored, but in the “let’s take some time and do it right” way Jr. built real, quality bikes. Then, this gets picked up as a new reality show, with no Sr. anywhere to foul anything up
Oh, BTW, I wonder, did Sr.’s new wife and family have anything to do with his sudden rediscovered distaste for his own flesh and blood? The new hag, uh, wife, and her offspring were featured on the last episode that I watched, with Sr. trying to show them how you build a bike (as if he knew) and suddenly a light came on.
Junior is a total loser. He has zero skill and his designs were cool but he’s nothing special. He lacks even the simplest of business skills and is so lazy he couldnt show up on time a single day while every other worker in the shop that his father built from the ground up had to come in on time.
Remember folks, the show was made of the business Sr. built, Jr didnt even come into the picture until much later on. Jr is a lazy chubby spoiled kid who deserves to have his clock cleaned legally and stop living off of Daddy’s riches
Amen to jr_is_a_pussy……………….
they allllllll need to go on the dr.phil show because they need help , i think paul sr. over reacts and than regets it later when it s too late and poor mikey , i think dr.phil can really reunite this family which needs it bad not to mention that i wouldnt be suprised if the new wife had something to do with it !!.
Sr. was on roids and its obvious his temper and arms are alot smaller since the show started but he has his yoko to cheer him up while Sr loves his dogs more than his own kids so lets take a moment to say way to go POP for not being there for his his family AGAIN. Bottom line is he hates the fact that Jr is getting all the credit and Sr. is feeling left out when it was his money that started this company
sooo right jack.thats why he has the new” other guys” to do the work for him, not saying he has no skill , but he’s knows he s getting old and so i just dont get where s he s going with all this mess that s why i think the new “wife” has something to do with it and thinking maybe she wants her sons to get in on the part of the company and knows that jr and mikey might put up a fight !! , i meet mikey and he s a great kid, good manners and all and i beilve the same with jr. i used to live only 30 min s away from where they live only i was futher north of them, got pic s of mikey and i at there old shop.i belive if they ” ALL ” go on the dr.phil show , i belive he can make the father and son s reunite , i also heard that sr, out s the other son as well who was incharge of the raw iron work shop.
SR. ALL I CAN SAY IS BLOOOOOOD IS THICKER THAN WATER DIPSHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
If it wasnt for jnr there would be no american chopper snr needs to grow up he does not need to rubbish his sons on the show surely he must be thinking maybe he is the problem when it seems as if none of his kids talk to him
i still say its his new wife that is causing the root behind this mess with sr and jr and mikey., she does have 2 boys of her own and i think she wants them to get in on the occ company.they all need to go on the dr.phil show…………
Ah for Jaysus sake! Snr is acting the twat. If he’s not controlling everything he will throw his bricks out of his pram. (BTW…Wearing sunglasses indoors in annoying)
He made the business by shouting primarily at Paulie? Mikey brought a happy distraction, and well done to him.
Snr/Jnr were way too serious???
In fairness the rest of the crew have and had to take sides with Snr because he is the employer…Sometimes (yeah attack me!) the dictator. Well! in my opinion he is dictating even when he hasn’t a clue…
I’ve been to the OCC shop 5 years ago and the vibe was good but what i have seen in recent times is Snr keeps saying how great occ has been since he is on his own/paulie and mikey has not been involved yada yada…
I am Paul Snr and i am great….hmmm???
Why does he have problems with Danny?
Paul Snr is as thick as shit and twice as smelly… He needs to get his head out of his ass and realise that his family will always come before his big fat EGO.
When the camera’s go away, who will be there for the big eejit?? FAMILY ya knob jockey…
FAMILY…
Ps… Please tell me Paul Snr’s EGO doesn’t see him being in the limelight forever?
JESUS WEPT….
BTW…Snr is looking skinny these days… SO he is not so tough then??? lol
just think about it,, when did all this stuff happen with paul jr getting canned by his own father, i’ll tell you when [ WHEN THE OLD MAN GOT MARRIED !! ] all you have to do is look at the time line, i think paul sr was just looking for an opportunity to get rid of his son , right !! than you have to say ok he got rid of jr but why get rid of the other 2 sons , the oldest one worked for occ iron works , but rarely ever seen him on the show, so what you guys think about that , still say its sr new wife behind the whole thing…..
The show was totally getting sucky because Jr and Mikey wasn’t in the shop anymore. Sr. is just a total ass. My dad has never done any of his kids like that asshole is doing. A dad is by his kids no matter what. For vinnie him and cody have their own shop building motorcycles and choppers. The big loser to all of this is Sr. a big asshole. I guess when he gets where he can’t wipe his ass his kids won’t be there cause the ass he been.
Look im so done with Sr. he is a big asshole,the town hates him,his family hates him,what does that tell you.let him rin one of his cheaply made choppers into a tree and be done with him.Kiss my ass Sr.
He needs to get his head out of his ass and realise that his family will always come before his big fat EGO.Just seeing him with that smurk on his face,makes me wanna slap the shit out of him.hate him.
The OCC name is Sr.’s baby. Period. Yes, he was rough to the guys and has a bad temper, but Jr. didn’t show his father one solitary ounce of respect. I work with/for my father, and if I ever even *considered* talking to him the way Jr talks to Sr, it would be LIGHTS OUT for me.
On the subject of their bikes, not sure who the bonehead was that commented on old school choppers looking “old”…umm yea, that’s the whole point, genius. That would be “Steph” . You make it readily apparent that you don;t know too much/anything about the chopper world with a comment like that. Bottom line is this – people who go way back in the business and really know their stuff about choppers have been known to refer to the Teutels not as “bike builders”, but as “cake decorators”. Read that in The Horse Magazine. lol
tru dat. the whole family is disfunctional. the rich get richer the slackers keep on slacking( mikey) mikey is a loser like i said before. he could of had a really good life if he would have been willing to work just a little bit. sweep floors clean toliets ect. hell i woudve cleaned tolites everyday and they wouldve been the cleanest 1s around for the money his old man was giveing him.jr same way running his mouth non stop i wouldve fired him 2.
I want to know more about the economics. It seems to me that a large part of the income must come from the TV show. How much? Paul Junior can only survive off the TV money as he is earning nothing and spending plenty. The OCC headquarter must cost a bomb to run and they are only sellling a few bikes per month. I’m not surprized that they have a poor reputation for the quality of their bikes and I am suprized that Ducati would give them a dealership. These are delicate bikes that need delicate maintenance and I don’t see anyone there that would be up to it.
Been watchin this crazy lot in New Zealand for a few years now . But its not what it used to
be. Time to move on. Lets see what Vinnies up to.
i said once and said it twice , it will do them very good to go on the dr.phil show ,i really belive that he can help them but whatever !! its there life , i have nt seen that hillbilly guy on the show when last seen before going off the air , i wonder if he got the boot, i used to admire paul sr but now -forget it !! – and i used to live near them.they used to put out some great looking bikes man back in the day . yeah paul jr did show up to work late and that was bad so he did give the old man a slap but than the old man slapped back ! but they are off the wall, paul jr gets royalties i belive from protects they sell onlive and a store , shirts , etc… truly a shame what happen to them …………
Have been watching the show here in Australia and think it’s time that Jnr, Vinnie, Rick and anyone else who’s been shafted from OCC get together and do their own show. Even bring in Mikey for comic relief. God knows he could do with some support and friendship.
Who gives a rats tanned funnel about Snr. The ego driven wannabe knew he wasn’t half the builder as Jnr and thought that intimidation was a way of hiding it and compensating for his lack of being in touch with what’s current in motorbikes.
Jnr built that show and was the one with the creative ideas.
Start your own show guys and rub Snr’s face in it. I’d watch that.
wannabe’s, no talent, wannabe yuppie f#$%s!
Wat happen to blood is thicker than water? im a kiwi from down under New zealand.love your show been watchn it since 2005.snr needs to realise that his two boys is what makes the show popular around the world .with all the amount of pressure jnr has been gettingwithout any hickups always pull thre with satisfaction and appreciation.snr needs to look at it and consider mending old wounds and reunite the tutils.(fresh,start)!
I bought parts from them and they were absolute junk. The custom oil tank brackets broke after only one week and the chain ground a hole in the bottom, causing all the oil to wash over the rear tire, I dumped and slid down the asphalt a long, long way. I also bought a headlight bracket and it broke. At night! The chrome plating is cheap and the parts are inferior. I paid four hundred bucks for pure junk and now I appreciate the stock Harley parts. The show was not even the least bit informative as far as the do it yourself motorcycle builder goes. The parts are a waste!
Thunderbolt
wow that stinks man 4 hbucks !!! while guys from what i heard is that tlc is picking the show back up, now the other thing is that i belive that paul sr gets paid 70.000 per episode , i dont know about mikey and paul jr. but just to let you know the show has been picked up again , i just hope its about building bikes and not soap oprea……….
well, if they are going to be paid enormous sums of money, like 70k per episode for snr, then all i know that these guys are sitting on a fat load of cash and i cant see them ever being bankrupt. now it makes sense why snr, paid for loads of the bikes when on auction, the “it s about giving back” talk he just loves, coz he can afford to throw the money away.
i cant stand seeing snr indoors with his shades on.just frigging bad manners, and no respect for his audience. he has been dry for 25 years, well thats good, but all the sob stories he spews and his goons stand around him in the shops saying oooh yes and aaah, yes and uuuurgh, it makes me sick.
i am sure that vinnie and vforce could be better to watch.
its just become a sad show.
i like jnr as he had some talent and he could work late if need be in the business, he was a shareholder. but snr treated him like a pure apprentice.
good luck to them all. especially paul jnr and mikey, who doesn’t have a bad bone in his body,he goofs around as he hasn’t been given any direction in life, and isn’t the metal worker that snr wants him to be.
the guy i feel real sorry for is rick.no where to go, and he has to put up with the old gits comments.
Like I be saying rednecks, let da black folk run dat bizness
We gonna take over dis country anyways hahahaha!
Sr. wasn’t there when the kid’s were growing up. If it wasn’t for Jr. he wouldn’t have the palace he parks all his trophy car’s in and whatever collectibles.
What a lifestyle Jr. and the crew have given him. Sr. is a Meat head and deserves to lose his fortress. What an idiot going after Paul Jr. big deal he was late some mornings he probably worked late to meet the deadline and he did a great presentation where Meat head Sr.
would have choked.
I wish Paul Jr best of luck winning the court battle and opening a new shop!
I did have a friend that bought a bike from them and the engine went south and the wouldn’t warranty it Now that is a bummer.
For Mike start eating salads and exercise and drink LOT’S water you are one spoiled rotten baby go cook hamburgers at Burger King you would have talent in that area.
As far as Vinnie and Rick are concerned Great Talent. I wish you the best!!
I forgot a few more things Sr. You are a true loud mouth Dumb-Ass you caused more chaos than anyone within your organization look where it got you. Hey that is great you raised money for others but you lost by stepping on everyone you employed.
Sr. you should have left well enough alone everyone that worked for you had more talent that you had.
You might have had an idea (IDEER) but Jr. had the vision along with Rick and Vinnie.
Rick had the Old School Style While Jr. and Vinnie had the futuristic style.
Mike was the Joke (clown) everyone has to have a nut running around.
Mike slept on the clock while everyone worked and you would cut out to the gym.
It would be nice to see Jr. open up a shop with Vinnie and Rick and the rest of the employee’s That would be Sweet!!!!
I hope Mikey makes it to Head fry cook
These guys are a bunch of no talents . They should all be arrested for impersonating custom motorcycle builders. Excuse me , those ugly, gross, huge frames and clone motors are the joke of the after market industry . America is a great place , where else on the planet could these no talents sell that junk . Never under estimate the taste of the American public . Take away there cutting torches, body grinders , cresent wrenches and big hammers and they would be even more lost . Fighting among themselves, come on take at good look at these nitwits , sr looks like an old dazed and confused walrus .
And they have made millions , only in the USA Rember , shiney things sell to people with dull minds.
well i like to see you build a chopper there hot – shot , knocking our country , meaning usa . oh buy the way you never did say where your from !!!!!………..so much for being proud huh…………..
I just watched Paul senior feed his dog a steak off a fork in a restaurant. Who is the most gross Paul or the dog? Aren’t there health codes in Orange County which would deny feeding of pets inside a restaurant? How craven are Paul’s merry men? Who is the most stupid me for watching the show or Discovery for filming it?
So read the article and read the more recent comments. From a business perspective, it looks like Sr is trying to get the shares so he could sell the business. Betting that he is hurting really badly now. Wouldn’t be surprised when OCC is sold for the brand to like Harley Davidson or something. I can guarantee that the choppers will become an assembly line make like cars and Rick will be going with Vinnie anyway.
The sad part is that their family is in such dismay now. It may be recoverable, however, it will not be the same. If Sr doesn’t work it out, I think he is going to end up living a long and lonely life as he will have pushed everyone who really cares about him away. You know what they say… “Only the good die young.”
As for a spin-off, it would be nice to see one that is about bike building. Something with a educational value. However, they should be picked up by the Speed Network for it.
I support Tic0’s theory that Senior would like to sell the business but I would be surprised if he could find a buyer. His factory/showroom is oversized by a factor of 100 in my opinion. As for mass marketing OCC choppers at $150, 000.00 a pop? I think they would be over-priced crap! And because these bikes have never been properly tested or developed except for senior bowling down the road and saying in quite a mock genuine tone that this the best bike they every built, the after-sale care would be a nightmare. As for the diesel bike – is there anything they wouldn’t build, just for the sake of the show? I’m afraid I watch this show now the same way as I would watch a road accident – it is really sick thing to do but I can’t take my eyes away.
it’s a damn shame. I missed the 09′ season so I’m just seeing what’s going on w/OCC. Sr. is way out there. since the split up he has given no credit to the bike building skills of his son, Paul jr.. for the people out there that have never worked on a bike let alone design and build one let me tell you Jr. has skills. he’s a relatively newcomer to bike building but, he took to it like he’s been doing it for years. I give paul jr. major props for his achievements. I think that’s where the problems started. it’s obvious Sr. is no match for Jr. when it comes to design and patience in building a bike. Paul Sr. is one of the few people that slipped through the cracks and made (his iron works co.) enough money to do the bike thing. he should be praising his son because w/o him there would not be an OCC. I don’t know what Jr. is doing today but, I wish he would start his own custom bike building shop. he’s got a natural talent that as yet has’nt been completely seen. as for Sr.. you could at least give Paul jr. some of the credit for making OCC a success.
Well they’ve lived the typical American Dream rags to riches story. Come out of the sewer, make millions, spend more millions, and have the family all go back to the sewer again.
its a shame with all the talent that jr has , he has to go to coustom bbq grills .
ok im a chip foose fan! But i do watch american choppers. i think if the show would put more energy to putting detail to their creations than the show could really go far. some of their choppers were telling. so come on pimp those choppers Sr. and congrats on the wife. don’t pump yourself with harmonial crap. take care of your sons but don’t continue to run your life around them, it won’t work out with the new wife(who needs the spot light). new family member, new balance. you did the right thing by pushing the kids out of the nest, but don’t kick them out completely of your life. you try and thats what counts. remember what makes a parent is giving without receiving. yet sr. you have received, with mikey and the tube socks, apple pies and helicopter rides. :=) i think mikey needs culinary school. paul has earned his stock and i don’t see a real legal battle, unless hot air and money takes peoples rights away on things they’ve earned. father and son need to fight in a ring with gloves and get it all out.
Collyer, get a clue. OCC is a full functioning machine shop that cuts the frames, rims and does just about every facet of creating bikes. While that has come in more recent years, they’ve designed since season 1. Did you watch 1 episode or something?
I look forward to Senior vs. Junior coming this fall, maybe it will be back to designing bikes and not constant arguing. And hopefully it will get to a point where Jr. puts his megalomaniac father out of business. Arrogant PoS.
i said it once and i’ll say it again its his new wife behind all of this .
Can’t believe this is going to court, it’s true you just shouldn’t mix family and business too! Well
Someone couldn’t just be the bigger person and just keep the family together, you must wonder how much the new wife influenced sr. But do you notice most of thos family reality show on TLC seem to end. Ina family blow out. Occ choppers. Jon and Kate. And now the little family seem to be on the verge of a divorce? How tradgic. Is all the money really worth it?
A bit late reading all this but the father has serious personality problems. No doubt he’s on steroids.
Paul came to the hard realization that his sons were taking unfair advantage of this family business. Paul Jr. has great talent and capacity to produce but those complaints of Paul Sr. of Paul Jr.s behavior are very well founded. Releasing Paul Jr. from the company was a very unfortunate but just as much needed. The attitude of Paul Jr. was the most degrading portion of his performance at the facility that also rubbed off onto viable employees.
As far as Mikey goes, what a waste of a human being! His apperarnce tells it all. Mikey needs to be totally and absolutely removed from the business in each and every aspect. Is time for him to get on with life and leave this free ride. Mikey offers absolutely nothing positive to the business or the people there in. He should have been removed years ago.
Paul Sr. needs help in his management style but over all he does quite well. He builds a quality bike and meets deadlines as well as customer expectations which generally are exceeded in quality and value. Paul Jr. did help in this but over all he took the company down with his attitude and demeanor, it is a positive move for the company to have removed him from the business. Mike needs to find other occupation totally disassociated and indepent with the family business.
Gordon Bengtson
Just like the Roman empire, things will come to an end. And Sr. will find out he has more mouth than talent! He’s a poor businessman, a mediocre bike builder, and totally lacks parenting skills. Just remember he has more kids that wont talk to him either.
Loved this show in the earlier days…
Don’t think Sr is on steriods…
My opinion, Sr, doesnt know or understand communication. He thinks that shouting and flexing muscle will get him what he wants… (Mind you, he only bully’s the family members) If he was to flex muscle at others, i’m sure he would get him come-uppence.
I’m 5′ 7” but and angry fucker… lol just joking.
I’m 5′ 7” but never looked at Sr as a general threat (I don’t think he is either)
I think he misses his early years, a few spliffs, couple of beers, etc…
If you probe, i’m sure he will tell you he is a proud man, but he is the lion king, and he ain’t gonna give up the top slot.
Where i come from (Ireland) we would call him a “Thick prick” (Porno people, NO)
Sr has gotta look at the future, if he want’s a legacy, then get your head outta your ass.
Remember, your sons will always be your sons, you wife can be your x……
but your sons will always be your sons….
Pull the bones out of that….. *Grrrr*
Just to be clear to those calling it Orange County Choppers. They are N O T choppers, they are customs. A chopper is something made out of an existing motorcycle. In other words…. take a bike off of the road, and modify it. If it’s built from the ground up, it’s a custom.
This is allot of hoopla over someone elses personal business. Paul Jr. and Mikey definately deserved to be thrown out of the family business, especially Mikey who is useless as tits on a cow turd. Paul Jr. needs to get a grip on reality and this will happen when he gears up his own business. Then the light will blink on for a change. So far he has had a free ride on his faher’s boot straps. Mikey is just an ignorant loaf of crap and he for sure keeps his apperarance that way.
Paul Sr. does need some help in dealing with people but that is his only glaring fault other than having raised those two kids that suck him dry, or at least tried to! Am glad Paul Sr. got his act togather enough to clean house.
I agree, there is a lot of hoopla about someone else’s business, but it ain’t personal business. If you make your name and money in the public eye, then the public gets an opinion. If some posters don’t agree, then tough. Opinions, are what they are, just opinions. Paul Sr started the business, but the guy is locked in the past. And that includes the old hard way of dealing with problem’s, screaming and shouting the odd’s when the mood takes him. How often has he bawled like a baby when he had a tooth ache? (pussy) or he wake’s up with a head like a slapped arse?
I agree Mikey hasn’t added much in the bike building area. But he was good enough to sell shirts with “Mikey for president”. If Mikey is such a fool and if Sr think this, then shame on him for putting him out there… It’s your son for fuck sake. You don’t bring the limelight on your son by saying “He makes me laugh” So what! don’t take the piss…
Paul Jr in fairness takes the piss with Sr when it comes to timekeeping (and in fairness to all parties, we only know what we were shown. Biased? who knows?)
But OCC wouldn’t have be known for the creative side if it wasn’t for Paul Jr, Spider bike, fire bike.. etc… Sr may have been good at sales (who knows?) But if you have no-one to build them (early days) who would listen???
Paul Sr in my opinion should never have to sue his son/s. He is stupid beyond reason.
I know ppl are divided with this story, but sueing your family and constantly saying on tv that we are better off without paulie etc… For fuck sake Sr, they are you kids. If you gotta say it, say it privately.
Family sores take a long time to heal, and in a lot of cases just fester…
Sr’s pride is going to make him a lonely man.
His bikes, his pride, and his money won’t mourn his passing, and if he is not careful neither will his family…
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Hey this sucks I lovedthe show and was inspired to start buildin mini choppers and planned to do it profesionaly with actual choppers one day. While sr is an ass ,mikey a dumb ass and jr ( my favorite) a litle well over creative (whitch I loved) they will do nothing great alone but if anyone makes jr and mikey will.
@ ron its a custom chopper moron get your facts straight
tbone, i’m in complete agreement. when i heard what was up, i asked what has changed and of course i hear about the new wife. concerned about sr. because i woke up in shock one day when my favorite wrestler strangled his wife and kid and than killed himself with weights stranglation. harmones is a serious, scary thing to mix with pumping iron and i can tell sr pumps iron. so i wouldn’t call him a pussy. its hard to be in the public eye with your family problems, usually the public becomes cruel with their opinions. i didn’t see american choppers just buy parts and assemble, they were actually designing , creating parts to yes, oh yes a chopper. thats right choppers i was told are cruisers built low for those confused between a motorcycle and chopper. i know when i borrowed a motorcycle, the throttle stuck, launched me up a hill, air born into some trees. it was fun though i forgot to ditch the motorcycle when landing. :) you wouldn’t do that with a chopper.
If it weren’t for Jr. & Vinnie, Sr. would still be hustling steel at Orange County Iron Works. Sr. doesn’t have the smarts to design the specialized bikes that Jr. designs. He is the poorest excuse for a manager I’ve ever seen. He’s a pompous a-hole whose only “talent” is cursing and screaming at the employees. I’m surprised they lasted as long as they did. Vinnie and Cody seem to be doing well with their V Force Customs. It’s certainly a more peaceful working environment. Vinnie was the glue that held OCC together when Sr. was doing his damnedest to destroy it. It wouldn’t bother me to see OCC go belly up. Maybe then Mikey, the loser and Paul Sr., the bigger loser, could commiserate with each other.
Everything started going down hill after Vinnie left; Vinnie had the Motor skills, JR has the design talent, Mikey was a good time,SR idiot!!
Jr. is the only reason why OCC made money, and where they are today. Jr. should of told Sr. to F@&% Off a long time ago. Sr. isn’t even a has been, he’s a never was. Mikey is a waste of air.
I think sr should blow a dam goat so everyone else can make it in life
soi español i veo con bastante frecuencia el realiti de occ i me parece que lo que a hecho pol sr.no lo veo correcto por que la familia es lo primero cuando eres major lo unico que importa es tener a tus hijos i nietos cerca i no estar solo por que el dinero no sirve de nada lo digo por experiencia ami tambien me paso lo mismo con mi padre i yo espero no comportarme asi con mis hijos i perdonar, sobretodo porque la enpresa que hoi tiene tambien se la debe ha sus hijos ,no me olbido de empleados que pusieron su granito de arena pero la major parte de la mente pensadora de occ fue de paul Jr.
I can’t believe this old, ugly, hairy fool is still making that stupid show. Now I hear that he fired his own kids from the show, what a joke this guy. What kind of a beast does this? No wonder he was a drug addict and a loser.
Let me tell you something about recovery from alcohol abuse. If you do not practice a program, at all times, even after 20+years sober, you are called a RID.
RID= Restless, Irritable and Discontented
Sr is the poster boy of a RID and…if he is abusing steroids, he has never been clean. He will act the same way he did when he was using.
Sr has an ego too big for him to work with anyone of caliber and Jr is disrespectful. Jr should have come in on time and shown some respect to his father for setting him up in a situation that not many young men get the chance to have.
My poor son busts his ass for 12$ an hour and would never mouth off to his boss…ever.
Poor Mikey is a lost soul. I cannot judge the boy because I think the happy go lucky stuff is an act, mask, to cover the pain that poor boy is in.
Sr should put his sons before his ego and wallet. Always. You reap what you sow. And sorry but i cannot just blame a woman ie his new wife, on his behavior. I am putting the accountability for that right where it belongs…on Sr’s lap.
Incredibly sad. My thoughts and prayers to the entire family.
I have watched American chopper since day one, great show great family . what happened? Paul senior kicking his kids to the curb,so wrong, Paul Jr. not always on time, but a great designer, and poor Mikey in rehab, what a out right shame, and now Sr. is taking his own son to court for more money $$$$$$$ how much do you really need. Do you realize how many familys would like to be in your position,with all that sucsess and money.. WAKE UP and look at the big picture. finally my heart goes out to Mikey, hang in there buddy it will all work out..
my personal opinion is I think that they all needed each other in some way or other? if they stop and think that if they take all this anger for each other and relise that after all the things they have achieved together as a family that once all the fame and fortune has disappeared and the media they are left with each other A FAMILY that should be more important than any amount of money and belongings I am a great believer in we come into this world with family around us and for those that are fortunate we leave with family around us paul sr and paul jr should stop this amnimosity for the sake of the rest of the family I believe that they both played a part in all of this. I wish I could turn the clock back again to be able to spend time putting 13 years of not talking to my dad put right but stubborness can and is a terrible act so come on you guys think!!!!!! is this really worth it for you and the rest of the family?????? Just imagine what you could achieve if you both put your energy into something better rather than this take care guys and all the best for your futures
watching Paul jr. build the Wendys bike ,the guy has no skills.imagin building a custom bike for tht much money ,macks the battery box to small and steps on the battery to force it into the box
One question…nothing major. Why does Sr. always go for the same over all design? They all seem to start off low, from the seat, the gas tanks start off about even with your belt buckle and goes up the backbone so high that after the handlebars are mounted you soon need a backbrace because your trying to see over everything. Almost every bike has an obstructed view. Sr. wants those bike to all look the same overall. Damn bikes are about 3 feet wide because of the belt drive, can’t see where your going, the front ends are too thin with barely a wheel. The bikes Sr. builds are way unbalanced as far as looks. Theme bikes, just build some badass bikes and forget theme shit!
” Go Paul JR.”
Sr, is just an asshole! ’nuff said!
Paul Sr., is a no-talent douchebag and I’ll watch it just to see how fukked up his designs are. The only bikes he’s ever designed/built are nasty-azz, “old school” pieces of crap. Paulie Jr. is the real talent in the family.
The real tragedy Sr. is missing out on the Grandkids. There is nothing in the world worth loosing contact with the Grandkids. They are worth all the money in the world.
@Dave D
Don’t forget Sr hasn’t spoken to mikey and paul jr’s older brother Danny for many years.
I think Sr has a lot of problems.
Alpha Male syndrome?
It was bound to happen Dr is so abusive it’s unreal. Then their is all that money it changes people. But I can’t imagiane anyone putting up with Paul SR’s abuse everyday no matter how much you made. Jr’s designs made OCC and brought in the Corparate clients. Senior has some seriouss Ego issues and might be using steriods the way he just looks for anything to act like the biggest as ever, And this is what his second or third wife since the show began I’m certian she didn’t narry him for Love dumb ass it is your money I mean who would out up with himn without it. He was a drunk when the kids were growing up then this oportunity comes alog a great chance to redem himself and what does he do abuse them daily verbaly, takes all the credit and now sues Jr. I don’t know how Vinnie and Rick could work and produce some quality parts with senior always being an asshole. I think Rick is a great metal worker and Vinnie learned how to run the waterjet and put out some nice pieces. Senior has no clue about the creative process and when Jr would be standing around he was tryiing to picture the bike in it’s finished form anyone who is talented in a trade has to be able to see the finished product before they start, Semior thinks you just pull some parts and bolt them together Jr’s bikes brought in the corperations that gave them their niche in the business. Good luck to Paul Jr counter sue your Dad since he wouldn’t let him see the books Senior must have somethings to hide and it will bite him in the ass in court and he’ll endup oweing Jr watch and see. aqnyways it’s the end of thier success. and their wil be a really nice building up for sale soon.
It’s really sad to see a family torn apart by fame and money, but if not for Paul Sr.’s talent as a builder and metal worker none of this would have come to be. Paul Sr. has delt with his demons in his own manor as some of the rest of us have. If people have been whatching the show Paul Jr. is a slacker, not showing up for work and when there’s a problem blame it on some one else. Mick I hope he get’s his life in order and can find his self, he has talent but it does not have a direction. People reading this will say I’m pro senior and your right Paul and I have been down many of the same roads with demonds and family and dealing with kids that think that they are entitled to everything with out the hard work requiered. Some of the people out there have called Sr. a poor bike builder and mediocre at best with poor parenting skills. Give me a break! Paul is a good man and some one I’m proud to say I know as a friend. Best of luck my friend RGG.
@Rich G
I think you summed it up when you said, “Paul is a good man and someone I’m proud to say I know as a friend”
That is a totally Biased statement!
Dude, you have to look at it from an outsiders view.
I don’t know Paul Sr personally and i do understand that what we see on T.V. is edited.
But saying he is better off without Mikey and Paul Jr on T.V. shows the real alpha male he is. He constantly knocks his sons (Danny included)
Paul Sr built a few bikes (nothing special) but the bikes that got people excited were built by Jr, vinne, rick etc…
BTW, paul jr is no saint (lateness etc…) Mikey (slacking off) nothing a good wage cut wouldn’t fix.
My opinion, Paul Sr is wrong.
As i said before:
His bikes, his pride, and his money won’t mourn his passing, and if he is not careful neither will his family…
I guess it’s a damn shame that Sr. wasn’t filming way back in the day when he first started building bikes because I’m sure that from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m., he was steady working….no slacking off. I’m sure every last minute—-he was steady moving huh? Back then before the flow jet, pipe benders and welding machines, I’ll bet Sr. was working non stop at a break neck pace. His sons and employees have probably built 50 times the amount of bikes as Sr. They have it down to almost second nature. Working at 100 mph isn’t necessary. Put Sr. and Jr. in a competition one on one, same exact tools and materials. Sr. can’t hang with Jr. However, Sr. is real good at riding the bikes onto a stage for unveilings and struting around like HE built it.
@Mike Furlow
100%
Anyone out there ever notice that when anyone in the shop is working and maybe walks off either to get a part or use another machine and Sr. happens to witness that person walking back to their project and Sr. will just go off on that worker for not working-fabricating? BUT, it’s perfectly okay to get into a half hour yelling match. Hey Sr.,how much fabricating was NOT done because of YOUR hissy fits? Sr. is yelling most of the time without knowing what the hell is going on!
I remember Sr. flipping out for finding drinking cups on the work tables, about to give Vinnie time off because that was his new responsibility, making everyone stop and begin cleaning, sweeping etc…. Tell me, I don’t think that falls into the fabricating column.
@Mike F.
Now your sucking diesel (right on)
Dude, Well Said M8.
what ashame. sr. and jr. really need to straighten this thing out. mikey can stay in rehab. mascots have 4 legs not 2. jr. is so talented it’s not funny. he’s been building bikes for what 8 or 9 yrs. look at what he’s done. I’m not into the raked out look but, I like quality and craftmenship. less than 10 yrs. building bikes, jr. is good. of course it could’nt hurt if he improved his work ethic. that would include some respect for his father also. I worked for my dad for years. I had to be at work at 7:30. if I was late he was gone. I was also told not to go looking for him. ie., you have that day off. what my dad taught me about the trade he was teaching me could not have been learned in a lifetime. sr. needs to step back and rethink a thing or two. lately, I’ve heard him saying jr. and vinnie were not the main contributors in the shop. wow!! those two are the shop. rick deserves credit also. in the beginning there was no cad designs. jr. would visit the clients business, look at what they are about and head back to the shop and start fabbing. you guy’s out there that work on your own scooters know what I’m talking about. jr. is the shit. c’mon sr. and jr. forget about the court room, quit the arguing and go back to what you do best, building bikes.
Paul senior might not be perfect, but Paul Jr. is the biggest joke. I see that his f**king Jr design business lasted long. Now he is going back to building bikes on his own???? We will see how long that lasts and how many employee’s he can keep with is f**king work ethics. I wouldn’t let that worthless piece of s**t assemble a bicycle from Wal-mart for me!!!!!!
i love paul jr he is the best i also like this father too i love the way the work on the bike they make it cool.
well i reckon that the reason that Paul Jr had a bad work ethic was because he didn’t like having to go to work in the morning and be greeted unceremoniously by Sr.
As the buck stops with Sr, then its Sr’s fault for making OCC a living hell to work in.
come on. I doubt that one of us here passing comments would like to work in a place where you knew you would be shat out , just for leaving a cup in the wrong place and for not making the deadline.boo to Sr for always accepting a job and the bike was always just finished in time for the send off.
i would like to have seen just once a bike finished a week ahead of schedule.
paul sr built business.those kids paul jr and mikey had it made.paul jr would not show up to work on time and mikey needs mental help.
who would hire them 2 in regular world.
as for vinnie and others.what would they be if not for paul sr hiring them.vinnie should be ashamed of himself. i remember when paul sr put a new roof on his home.codie too.
WHAT BOSS WOULD DO THAT.
i feel paul sr should act same way .HE IS BOSS .he built thing from nothing.i am sure if anyone said to PAUL SR they did not like what he said, he would come back later and correct it .
PAUL SR is not perfect but who is.
no reason to leave or quit.paul jr and mikey i would not hire.coming in late and acting nutty by those 2 would not be welcome around me.
The OCC name grew very quickly in a short time and became much bigger than Sr. or Jr. Sr. had a business built, Jr. helped take it to another level, but it’s symbiotic. They need eachother to be successful – business wise and family wise. Unfortunately for Mike, the show kind of allowed him to be lazy goof for about 6 years too long. Talk about a guy needing some direction.
I hate seeing families broken apart for dumb reasons. Sr. and Jr. are more alike than different and won’t be happy until their relationship is redeemed. Pride is a bitch.
Yeah, Jr. is an ass, but you shouldn’t sue your own son, when all he’s done is had success. It’s not like Jr. is a crackhead or something. Mikey may very well be, but he probably doesn’t have any money anyway. I understand Sr.’s old school, hard-ass mentality, and agree with what he says in many ways, but you can’t take it as far as he has. Both his kids are obviously very sensitive, and as long as they aren’t pissing their lives away, he should act more like a father than a competitor. I know a lot of guys have trouble with that when it comes to their adult sons; i.e. they develop an inferiority complex and feel a constant need to one-up them in everything they do, but that’s a pretty small way to think and feel. Given his age, and beefy appearance, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sr. didn’t have many years left, and once he’s gone, that’s something his kids will carry around with them for the rest of their lives if they never patch things up. They all should be looking at the bigger picture.
JR’s rules. I hope he cleans Sr’s clock.
Sr. had a bit of my sympathy until it was revealed that he wanted to buy out Jr. 20% for $0 because the business was worth $0. I’m no financial analyst but even I know that ain’t right.
Jr: “what’s the company worth?”
Sr: “zero”
Jr: “ok well if that’s the case then I’ll buy your 80%”
LOL
Neither is right or wrong. One’s old school one’s new school. Jr might have some problems getting started, but his designs very well may allow him to coast right through it, along with all the publicity he’ll be getting.
First of all I wouldn’t be caught dead on one those Holloween death traps they call choppers. Second, Sr hired a scab work force to build his new building ” some iron worker eh”. Third, wtf is this dumb show on TLC? what are kids supoosed to learn from it?
I think people on here don’t really get the concept. OCC makes custom and stock choppers. Most of those choppers featured on the show are really meant for a show piece to the buyer. These are not what OCC regularly builds ( for all those out there that don’t grasp that) . Next, I’m sure that OCC will do fine without Jr. there; however, that company was made famous off of Jr.s designs. Let’s be fair people. How many episodes featured a buyer coming directly to Sr. and asking him to build the custom chopper? It doesn’t matter if Sr. started the business or not, the level of success for that business and the popularity was based off of Jr.’s designs. Does any of you actually think that OCC would be as widely recognized or had a show created for it if Paul Jr. was never involved? They would be just another custom chopper shop.
FOLKS,THINK FOR ONE MINUTE.COULD ALL THIS BE TOO GET BETTER RATING?like sr against jr now. then vinnie returns, then rick, then mikey etc. you get my drift.they could keep this going for years.
no show lasts forever,so if your ratings are going down, HEY DO THINGS LIKE THIS..
i just got feeling we are being hood winked.
time will tell if i am right……………………
I think you have it right Jim.
(that all this is staged to pump up interest in the TV show)
Was it just a coincidence that Sr rode by Jr’s new shop, then stopped, and Jr just happened to be in the parking lot and the TV crew just happened to have enough people and equiment there to interview them both simultaneously?
I like the show … but I know a marketing plot when I see it!
Paul Sr. you are such a jerk. 4 children and none of them want nothing to do with you! Makes me wonder what kind of a father you ever were. The most important things in the world should be your kids, your values are really twisted. It seems the only people around you, are the people you pay, your YES men, and I use that word men loosly.
Jason is such a sucka__. Jr. is fortunate he stayed with Sr.
OCC was fun to watch no doubt about that. It is getting old now though. Sr. is a lot smaller than he used to be. You can tell he is body has taken a big toll from all of this. Jr. doesn’t have what it takes to make it. He will be begging back at dads wallet soon. His lawsuit doesn’t have a chance. To bad he should have stuck around and tried to make it work. With this economy I don’t see how any of them can last much longer . The bikes arn’t that good of quality. Sr. is rich but not that rich. He owes a fortune on his building.
I thought sr was in recovery? What step is he working. SEEK HIS WILL JR as you trudge the happy road of happy destiny. GOD bless
i missed the show on the 12th been looking for it on the pc. im sure it will air on hulu or spme site soon, so i cant re-ply about the new show im sure Vinny will be back with JR and Cody and Miky will be doing some thing around the shop. taking out the trsh, i read the old man got married, i hope he got a pre-nup if JR gwts the right people behinde him well its all depends on the rateing im sure they have a team of writers.it will be like a soap opra…they will be told where to be and what to say stay toon in its a another reality show SR dose this JR says that, and on and on.. JR will be planing a wedding and at the last minute he will brake off the wedding bexuse she was seeing miking behinde JR back.and JR has been seeing SR wife on the sly i can see it now as the bike shop turns staring the tuttles lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone believe this court stuff an act? Now its Jr vs Sr. and watch the ratings as everyones curiosity is peeked.
senoirs a fagget fucking asshole
I watched the show and Sr. showed his true colors, what father would laugh and make fun of his son pic in the paper, he is so jealous of his sons, no wonder his kids don’t speak to him. So glad Vinnie is on board, maybe Cody, wish Rick would leave also. Dad was a drunk, kids had a terrible life, so did there mother. So happy for Paulie, he was the one that designed the occ lable. Best to the new motorcycle show, When are the guys at occ going to wake up and see where the real future is.
How about paur Sr taking a drug test on the show (steriods) ?????
How is Vinnie and Cody’s V-Force bike business doing ? Why would he get back with Paul Jr if he had his own bike shop? Would the bike shop be more of a partnership then a Paul Jr business?
Sr. is a dead beet! I’m tired of his drama. This whole issues with his kids is directly related to his new wife. It’s all about greed and control! I will no longer watch this show. Get rid of the wife and bring back the kids and maybe I’ll watch it again.
Paul Sr is and always be an ass. He thinks his crap doesn’t stink but it sure does. Paul Jr used to drawl motorcycles up way before Jason came a long. The fighting between the 2 was crazy and Paul sr was always right when he didn’t even know what was going on in his shop because he was so busy sitting on his ass doing nothing. I wish Paul Jr all the luck in the world and seeing him and Vinnie working together is going to be great!!!! Paul sr always treated Vinnie like he was shit just like his own sons.. Well Jr is going to be on top and he will make it on his own.. I feel it in my gut!! Good Luck Jr and look get your Dad off your mind, he’s an ass and always will be.. Stick with your brother and with Vinnie and things will come your way…. :)
I like the show just wish they had alittle cleaner mouth the trash that comes out of their mouths is prettyfowl sometimes. I wish JR. all the best and hope his company does good I hope mikey get his life strait and does well.All I can say to Sr. is you need to get together with all your sons and get on your knees and ask God into your hearts that you and your sons would all love each other and make liars out of everyone that would run you down and make you and your sons look bad.As far as the money it may the root of the problem just remember it,s nice to have but don,t let it run your lives just remember,have your ever seen an armored car following the heasre going to the cemetery.God bless you and all things that come to
“Honour thy father and thy mother”
This is really a sad soap opera, lets get started by saying the old man cares about nobody except himself, Jr is going so far into debt if he doesnt make it he loses everything, and mikeys still one of the biggest losers ever, what happend to his diet and look at the way he dresses and all that nasty facial hair, what a freaking slob. Mike trys to be funny but he doesnt have a sense of humor at all. I would say vinnies bussiness is not around anymore or why would he be working for jr. apparentlly he can even afford a decent set of tires for his old chevy truck that he was driveing on the show talk about bald man it must really be bad for him now, looks like hes packed a few pounds on also , kinda looked like a bum if you asked me. You can probbally expect to see cody comeing in to the picture real soon Im sure he cant find anything to do on his own , doesnt really seem that bright. What about Rick and that red nose thier is somrthing going up in that beak on a daily basis for it to be that red all the time, I would say him and a few of the boys are snorting it up on a regular basis, I doubt the old man cares he is probally doing it with them. personally I think jr an mikey are both losers and hope that they fail the old man got them where they are and they just took advantage of the situation. If that was my old man I would of treated him with a little respect knowing he was paying my bills. Jr couldnt keep his mouth shut and show up for work, and mikey couldnt show up, and when he did he din knothing around the shop, hell hsunday , back to work tomorrow, e couldve at least kept the place clean , talk about 1 lazy bastard. anyway im done for now everybody have a great later Sledge
everbody have a great sunday, messed up the last couple lines later all sledge
I see everyone harping on SR. but Jr is an arrogant smart ace. He really took advantage of being the son. Both Mikey and him would have been fired at any other place for there short comings. SR. and Jr. both have attitude problems but one knows how to run a successful business. The other has no idea of the commitment it takes and just took it for granted that someone else would step up. He will soon learn the ups and down and the time you have to put in to make it work or he will fail. It could be really good for JR to grow up and to see things from SR. point of view now that he is an owner and that JR. and the employees lively hood rely on it. Sr. understood this. I assume most of the people complaining on here are young or have no real clue about running your own business. If jr. was so special he should have been setting the example for everyone else, but he didn’t he always was late, leaving early not understanding that other see that and it spreads laziness. Then you get less productive work . Finally I think many are underestimating the OCC name and what brand image is. Jr should have tried to work a deal out to be OCC but jr. edition. Just in a different building across town. That could be the natural progression if he wants to ever be as successful as the OCC.
Honestly I don’t understand how Paul Jr. should have a stake in OCC if he is going to try to have a competing business. SR still has the responsibility of all the employees that work for him. I guarantee he loves his sons but is also not going let that spoiled brat bring down the business. And actually who do you think will get the business will SR is gone. Those kids could come back anytime if they wanted, I guarantee you. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is all set up.
Another way to make money, Besides Sr and Jr building awsome bikes. I think there a bunch of disfunctionals……………..
The latest sows with out Paul Jr. or Mikey is terriffic. There is no circus of yelling, arguing, name calling or all that childish crap. The adults can be adults and build quality bikes as they should without all this bickering and other insanity interjecting into the picture to distract the viewer from enjoying what otherwise could be a great program but isn’t because of Paul Jr. and Mikey.
Understandably they are the offspring of Paul Sr. and he loves them, but there is a time and place for everything and there simply is not a time and the show is NOT the place for the three to gather in one place to do anything constructive.
Rabid Coam
I’ve watched OCC make choppers for years and I must admit that the only original and truly unique things produced by OCC were because of Paul Jr., and he was right when he said OCC would crumble without him because Paul Sr. has liquidated most of the truly talented people he was working with.
I can’t wait to see what Jr. produces when his dad isn’t degrading him or in general screwing everything up just so he can pretend he’s the real brains behind all these bikes etc. And as for the lawsuit that’s pretty low even for Sr. I know things are rough between the two, but suing your own son over some stock options is just about the least classy thing he could have done.
And as for the multitude of comments that Paul Jr. is somehow lazy and wasn’t pulling his own at OCC, even Sr. admitted at various points that Jr. had never not completed a bike on time and that he worked 60 hours or more quite a bit of the time. I truly believe if you’re pulling that kind of load with that much stress you should take 60 days off or face a nervous break down.
There are issues here MIKEY needs to go to school and get passed the elementary school crybaby BULLSHIT. P. Sr. is the boss if there is a start time for everyone and you showup late everyday in the real world your ass get SHIT CANNED plain and simple end of story. Jr did come up with good concepts but would shoot alot of people down and now starting to shine. Im sure alot of this is blown out for TV but im not saying they dont have issue they DO. One of the things that bother me is the father son stuff dont shoot your kid down for doing something he was trained to do by his own father.
Paul Sr. does have a big ego, but he should. His company has come a long way. Paul Jr. has a big ego too.( The apple don’t fall far from the tree.) I don’t think that Jr. was the sole talent at OCC and not the mechanic in the bunch. What I’m saying is he needs a lot of help to build bikes … whereas Sr. looks to have everything in house. As for Mikey show up on time and take things a little more serious … it’s you’re life, keep it funny.
Paul Sr. has it togather, knows what he wants and works hard to get it using his head. Paul Jr. has terriffic insight and imagination which is what in part helped the company gain such great notoriety. Mieky has not one clue of reality in life. Everything is a big joke, and in the end the joke is him. His appearance is absolute lack of even a single brain cell.
Paul Jr. needed to get out of dodge, he didn’t go on his own so Paul Sr. made that decision for him and that was a very good m ove. Mikey can’t even make a feeble attempt to do anything of substance for himself or anyone else. Mikey belongs in an istitution, he needs some serious psychological help.
I don’t dislike Mikey, I just do not give him any chance for a future where he has earned NOTHING for himself, ever. Paul Jr. has a future and he will create that for himself once he gets a grip on life and reality.
Paul Sr. will continue to do well and grow. So far he gave his children every chance to ‘join the club’ but none did, they only took advantage of a good easy thing. They lost.
Rightfully so.
Good luck to Paul Jr., Mikey, go get help from a ’shrink’. Paul Sr,: Keep on keeping on. You are doing a first rate job and have made all the correct decisions. You gave your sons a chance, they blew it and you did nothing to cause that. They did that on their own. Now they pay the price. They are emancipated and need to get on the road like all the other adults in this world. You did, now it is their turn. No more mom and pop apron strings for them. Good. This will make them stronger, in time. Maybe anyway.
Rabid_Clam
@Rabid_Clam are you drunk?
“Paul Sr keep on going, you are doing a first rate job?”
What? Paul sr was a poor father / figure, yet when he dictates in a TV bike show he is doing a first rate job???? get real…
If snr was the good father he is being portrayed here, then why didn’t he get help for Mike instead of making money with the “mikey for president” tee-shirts???
Oh sorry! that was snr being the good businessman????
Snr is a junkie/alcolohic/bully that doesn’t want anyone getting above his BIG ego.
Snr, can only build OLD school shite, jnr has his discipline issues but he builds better bikes, end of…
Everytime Mike did anything in the show it was always with a fun punchline…
Snr was always saying, mike makes me laugh….
Snr misses the drink/drugs and controlling people.
The guys that work for him know better than to challenge him (he is paying their wages)
Jnr (not always right) challenged him and snr didn’t like it. (always threatened)
Snr is a steel worker and a poor bike builder, junior is a bike builder, mikey needs some
help with direction.
Snr/Jnr/Mikey have to understand that if you make your money/fame in the public eye the you gotta have a thick skin….
I wish they would just go away! The best bike to come out of there was the 911 bike. After that it was down hill drama.
I HAVE WATCHED OCC FROM DAY ONE
PAUL sr. and PAUL jr. need to get a grip on their lives and seek help go to a head shrink and talk about whats realy bothering both of you about each other this isnt a JOKE !!!!!!!!!!!!! DO IT BEFORE IT IS TO LATE !!!!
WTF !!!! WOULD EITHER OF YOU DO IF THE OTHER GOD FOR BID !!!!! DIES !!!! LIFE IS TO SHORT END THIS NOW !!!!! SHOW SOME RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER
GOD BLESS YOU BOTH!!!!!
MIKE HANG IN THERE STAY CLEAN GOD BLESS YOU ALSO AND DANNY
Hay senior, I’m your age. Living and rasing kids is a tough deal. I could have never been in a business with my father. I think you did great, not always with your kids growing up, but what family is perfect? I’m sure they made a lot more money with you, and got to know you better than working as welders. Both father and son have a great talent.
A retired biker, best to senior and jr. in the future, Brad
Sr. Sucks, wouldn’t buy a T-shirt rag from him, every one else in the shop is talented. Also have watched from 2003. Jr. While late sometimes, he took the old ass from the stone ages to some very creative machines. Sure they sold out long ago to Corporate dollars, I’ll say it again Sr. Is an unfit father and human being.
From the first episode of Sr vs. Jr the old man has been spewing crap. He has no talent, class or intelligence. Listen to him speak and it doesn’t take a minute to figure out he’s an idiot. Figger out is not a word it’s figure. He’s a burned out, alcoholic who was riding Jrs tail. If it was the other way around where was OCC before Jrs bikes came to be.
He has done nothing but bad mouth Jr. and hopes he fails. What kind of father would wish that on his own son. He’s managed to build a brand new building, a massive house, a car collection and when he offered to buy Jr out had the business appraised and it worth nothing. C’mon a frickin idiot could see through that. So besides being an over steroided, horse jawed pumped up drunk he’s a liar and a theif. I would be ashamed to tell people he was my dad.
T
Paul Sr., Paul Jr. and mikey all have bussiness sense. after all the comments con and pro thje family has got it going on.
I love the show Keep up the good work. I love seeing the working man make it. All of you deserve it . mikey is a winner he came from good genes. Paul Sr. you have my respect , because you be as real as you can be for the show. Paul Jr. you learned from the best, and put your God giving talent out there.
My father said if you cannot say anything good, don’t say anything. I can say nothing about Paul Sr. Paul Jr, Mickey and Vinnie will rise again. The staff at OCC should not be putting their mouths on Paul Jr. He helped them all get rich. The creative style left OCC with Paul Jr. Steve is talented and it is too bad he did not leave OCC too. He should. He is a toad for Paul Sr. Maybe Paul Sr started the company but Paul Jr’s artistry is second to none.
It is amazing to watch the employees of OCC sit there are trash Paul Jr and Mike and the rest of the outcasts from OCC when in fact they have thier jobs because of Paul Jr. and Vince and even Mikey and in great part due to TLC. If Paul Jr. did not come up with the unique designs back in the beginning Paul Sr. would more then likely still be buildng his old style bikes makng a living. But TLC didn’t get this show going for Sr. to sell his dinosaur bikes, the audience and clients wanted to see something new and unique and those ide-ers as Sr. says, didn’t come from him. So that big shop, his big house, cars and bikes and all the other things he has he did earn and also Jr. contributed to his success. But Sr. well never give anyone else credit for his success and will only trash his sons on national TV and in the media and in the courts and blame him for all the bad things. Sr is so threatened by his own son for a reason, cause he knows Jr. has talent that he never had. So all the employees sit there and trash Paul Jr. while continueing to earn a paycheck from his past work, a class act all the way. That said, Jr. and Mikey should have had thier ass’s fired a long time ago. Coming from a family business and looking back 20 years ago and doing some of the same things, i should have fired my own ass and now realize i was wrong. As many of you know working for a boss there is a start time a break time and a finish time. Mikey, move to California, stay there and have nothing to do with any of them and start a new life. Disfunctional Family Viewing.
So lets take a vote, who would like to have Paul Sr. as their father ???? anyone?? Theres a few positions open, anyone??
Okay I just finished watching the first two episodes of this season. I wish I would have had something better to do tonight I actually searched for a site where I could vote or or something. Paul Sr or Paul Jr.
Really, Paul SR is the biggest ass I have ever seen I used to like this show but I can not stand watching him suing his own son and for what? Paul Jr was the one that made the show worth watching I don’t care who owns that shop. Sr never respected his kids or any other worker. It seems to me right now that he’s black balling his son trying to make sure he’ll never work in that county again how could anyone ever do something like that to their kid. Unless you make that asshole grow a little compassion for his two sons I’ll never watch this garbage again.
I used to be a fan, I repeat used to be a fan right now I’d rather sue that Paul Senior for ruining my respect for him. If that were possible.
Well Paul Junior has my vote when it comes to hoping he gets treated better if I could afford to buy a bike I’d take my work to him he made better bikes hands down his fathers inflated ego is the worst if I could have slapped him in those first two episodes of this season I would have. You don’t treat your kids like he does. Do something about making this show better because it isn’t worth watching now.
This show is beginning to really suck. I know you are trying to get ratings and you have to set up different things to spark interest but really the family soap opera is ridiculous. Fathers shouldn’t treat their sons so disrespectfully. I’ve worked in a family owned body shop for years and I am telling you if we would have yelled at our sons like that they would have quit in a heartbeat and I wouldn’t have blamed them one bit. No American business should be run in such an offensive manner period. I know this is just a show and they are reading a script trying to make it appear realistic but quite frankly it is bringing the show down. Those of you thinking SR. is the bomb consider this from a child’s point of view would you honestly work for a father like that.
….I went through the exact same thing with my dad but in an unrelated business.
Verbally and physically abused all my life,forced to work for him.
Tired of being treated like crap for being the inspiration and design, I quit-but having held back the best ideas.
I started my own company,got all the good people who were tired of the dick,and within one year dad was out of business.
Been 10 years since I’ve even seen/spoken to the a$$hole.
I hear he’s living in some old motorhome,and I don’t care.
Paul sr. You are an ass, you cant say anything without it being insulting. You think everyone agrees with you? Think again ,,, The only ones agreeing with you are the people your paying wages too. If there is something you dont like about your kidsBLAME YOURSELF! You Raised Them!!! luckily they dont act like you do. Go Paul Jr. The fans are on your side
@skippy. i think you have written the best comment here.
i hear you and you did good.
i wish paul jr. all the best. and mikey and vinnie.
paul sr. wont end up in a caravan, he is being paid 70k per episode and if you think of the hundred odd plus episodes , he must have made loads of money.
any way all the best to the non ass creepers
Paul Sr., you should be wishing your son Paul Jr. success.
Paul Sr., grow-up
Sr destroyed his family at least twice…I could never imagine talking about my sons as he did last night. Money is everything to him and family means nothing!
Their phony differences made the show a success…it’s TV give me brake.
The old veteran made the business and Jr. made it work.
But I’m sorry to say their bikes suck with all the shit placed on them, the bikes looked like
a billboard.
Well, if this battle is real or not, I liked the show it passes time for my sorry-ass retirement.
From Long Island, NY, take time out…get on a real chopper and ride the roads throughout the USA.
GM
All I can say is..
A) When this show first came out…If Paul Jr was in a diffrent shop from his father…who would have the show right now?
B) You really believe that Jr was taking atvantage of Sr? The man that every time ya seen him he was lounging kicked back in his chair..waiting like a pit bull to strike at anything he seen his son doing..any excuse. He owns 20% of the company…he may come in late..but he got more done than his father.
C) The lawsuit is real. Its no wonder none of his kids will talk to him.
D) Sr stated on camers refering to Jr “If it was so bad here for 20 yrs why did ya stay?” Maybe it was out of respect to you. he was there when your other kids bailed.
E) Sr slammin Jr for making bikes..cause its easy…..well yeah ya dumb ass….he made you rich by designing bikes.
F) What kinda man makes fun of and degrades his own kids on tv every chance he gets..oo cameras on need to talk shit about my sons….when your wife leaves you ..and she will and you have noone in the room while your on your death bed…maybe ..just maybe you’ll see how wrong you are.
I could go on and on…Ive watched this show since the being and watched how Paul Sr has turned into this greedy self centered asshole.. I mean look Jr isnt even in the shop anymore and Sr still gets all rilled up about him….oo Im so stress free now….What theres a pic of him in the paper and not me?? lets make fun of my blood on camera …again.
OCC is failing..look at there cliets now…a frickin window company. lets build a ugly ass bike for the people that make our web site..it might apeer they are busy with customs but really grabbing the bottom of the barrel.
OCC has become a billboard for advertisement the bikes seem verry generic at best since Jr has left.
Sr…you need to retire, let Jr take over meanwhile you can goto your ranch bail the hay in your biker garb..take a seat and watch over your miniture donkeys.
Sr. Vs Jr.
I’m still waiting for the fun to start.
Watching Paul Jr. put his shop together is pretty boring.
Watching Paul Sr. pretend to be a craftsman is ridiculous. On top of that, the bikes are no longer growling choppers with some unique flare, but cartoonish, over-designed monstrosities that no one would ride for amusement. And all the while, Paul Sr. spends his time bad-mouthing and putting down Paul Jr.
This is not very entertaining. I fast forwarded through most of Sr’s stuff to see what Pauly was doing.
I can’t wait for Paul Jr. to make some bikes and put some heat on Sr. I think Paul Jr. knows how to design great looking bikes and Vinnie can really put them together. OCC has become bloated by it’s own excess, just like its proprietor.
Hopefully, the action will start soon in Pauly’s shop then we’ll see who knows how to do it better.
This is why you dont go into bussiness with family. When something happens in bussiness it affects the family. Sr has to step back and remeber this is your kids,your blood the ones your suppode to take care of not hurt or hit them when they are down. jr is the talent besides rick and mike, vinny was also very good , but i think he got the blunt from sr when jr wasnt around. sr says all the time on the new show my kids need to gorw up, well whos idea is it to blow things up , crash cars, blow up windows with a jet quad not jr. show me one bike the old man designed on his own that could top jr. answer none. love the show but dont like where its going. the fsther is trying to sue a son that makes me sick al over, are you kidding me , get your head out of your butt. what about when sr had his own problems years ago , oh yea big man where were you then for your family, grow up, stop acting like you dont care because you do, spot lite is going to come away from you one day, and then what look back and say look at all the time i wasted, and then what call jr and mike and danny and say i am sorry forgive me, bite me
Paul Jr. all the way. Sr. is an ass.
I just want to say that people are to quick to say bad things about Mikey he does have a job like it or not he does a right silly job of trying to be funny. I mean he’s trying to be an artist who knows some of those people who like kindergarten art might want to hang his stuff out. He’s comic relief guys he isn’t worthless he’s just under appreciated and heck all you pretty boys out there get a life not everyone is genetically perfect some people do have the fat gene thank god we aren’t all genetically identical life would be boring if that were the case.
To Fabe 8/11/2010
Wow! engrish much? you syntax good…. yes know? hookt on fonix no rilly werkt to you, huh?
I have watch this show forever and read most of the replays.I agree with most people that sr. behavier is wrongand that jr talent is whats got them where they are.SR best bike was the POW bike and that’s it.,and most of that paint.Now I’m not really into theme bikes but that is what the show is about.I like many in the begining wacth the banter back en forth which sr. as taken it as fur as jr as taken occ and with that said many opionions may differ.But one comment was honer thy Farther nad Mother! Thistwo is a part I see Sr. really is part of the problem.In the begining the show had and still has his mother on it.The show where jr. annouces that he going to marry his girlfriend she looks so unhappy I wounder how this makes her fell.But this might be the way sr. father treated him.Our this could be a lesson for you all Drink have babies become a drunk and you to can have a familly like this.Jr best of luck you have the talent.Mikey you’ll find you way.SR you once said when you die the kids would sell the bike company to the Japeness I’m sure they be glad to pay you what its worth O shame on you
when you own your own business you can set you on hours. Like it or not Paul JR shouldn’t have had to listen to his father shouting about coming in late and leaving early a lot of JRs job was creating new bikes he could have planned those new bikes at home and then came into work later to work on those plans with the other employees. Those stupid deadlines are ridiculous and just for this TV show because in real life if you don’t make a deadline the customer merely has to come back for it another day it isn’t going to ruin a sale if they have to come back the next day to receive their merchandice.
WTF, Can’t people just try and get along? They’ve lost me as a fan with this stupid bullshit. Too bad one of them isn’t living with cancer without enough money to get treatment. Wake the “F” up before it’s too late.
This is why u don’t go in business with family.
paul senior needs to let go of the range and give paul jr the opportunity to show off his talent.paul jr has tons of experience but his dad always have to pull rank on the kid.MR Senior give your sons a break they are very good kids.FAMILY FIRST thats what O.C.C means.EVERY ONE AT OCC ARE FAMILY.R.S.V.P
Senior needs to learn life is too short, you can pick your nose, but you can’t pick your family. There is NOTHING in life that will ever replace your family. I can feel for what Skippy stated earlier regarding his father, see anyone can be a father, not everyone can be a Dad. Sr. needs to be the adult and lead by example, and learn that one cannot make people do what they don’t want to do. He missed his son’s wedding, that’s something he’ll never get back…
I support Sr. 100%, this is just another example of kids being handed a lucrative career, and they are never satisfied.I guess they forgot where they came from. I wish I had a chance like they did. Senior, do what you have to do. They should be lucky that they have a father to enjoy life with and be able to work side by side with. My father passed away when I was 25, and would give up anything just to have one more day with him. Wake up boys before its to late.
Good luck Paul Jr.
Stupid americans!
I really can not believe what I am reading in this commentary box. There is one or maybe two that is merely asking themselfs the question “maybe this is all a setup?” But the rest of you, well, lets just say it confirms all the prejudices I had about you. Living in a bubble with no feeling what so ever for what´s real and what´s not. Man, a majority of people can´t be this stupid. I simply cannot fathom the magnitude of this lacking sense of reality.
Ofcourse all this is scripted. The disputes they have doesn´t really exist. The law suit is fake. The only difference is that they are now building two bikes at a time instead of one (as far as numbers is concerned that was just a metaphore).
God lord.
paul kick sr in ass
lol family first bs second and just another way to get ratings for them to split so poeple suck it up, if it was true as for the lawsuit well they need to do something like that to get the other tv show snowballing for viewer’s, equals ratings and more bussiness for paul sr and jr to get more customers and discovery needs more ratings for show to keep on the air if it drops in rating it gets dropped there just going to plan B
i feel that PAUL SR IS NOTHING BUT A BULLY AND NOW THAT HIS SON’S HAVE LEFT HE IS SUFFERING, IT’S OBVIOUS HE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE’S DOING. LOL HE LOOKS RETARDED ON THE SHOW PRETENDING TO HELP BUILD A BIKE NOW A DAYS, HE’S REDUNKULOUS LOL
I think paul Jr should mass produce a cheep reliable motorcycle.(PS)I like paul Jr new logo.
well for starters the big problem is the wife and the new kids before they come in the pix
they where just find now she wants her kids in on that money.you no sr. for as much as your sons has stood by you now your shitting on them thats bad no women or other
kids is wroth losing your kids you might should be thinking about that becouse you will never love her kids like you do your own
I’ve been reading a lot of these comments, i also have been watching the show from the start. I really think sr. should stop and think as well about what he is doing, his children should be the most important thing in his life, especially seeing how they too, had to deal with his drug and drinking trouble. All the big heads that he has in the office i believe should get some of the blame as well. they also started putting this stupid crap in sr/’s head. Like a lot of you are saying and i argree jr. made the bikes and that is wht put him on the map, and helpped him with his other boys make his money. Wake up sr., relize how you are damaging youre so called good name……. you are an old over the hell bully/
Its clear that Sr. is doing something terribly wrong with his kids, how can one father lose all his boys respect. Sr. is an ASS! He thinks that the show is all about him when his son has been on the show from day one, Sr., may have started making bikes on his own, but Jr.’s and Mikie have been a part of the show from the start. Sr., needed a younger wife to make is ego bigger then it already was and anyone knows she’ll take him for more then his kids or wife who went through true HELL with the ASS. Her boys are nothing but leches, but hey look at their mother. Sr. I sure hope the cost fo your family is well worth dieing with out them., Its shows that life is catching up with you, Oh, maybe you should stay off the juice. Paulie, I wish you the best, and HEY I own the new Coleman Stove, I beleive in you and hope you supper sead your father, sorry SR.
The bikes OCC does now all look the same, all they do is put sponsor’s designs on the wheel or some other lame part of the bike. J Poole isn’t bad but he certainly has contributed nearly as much as Jr. OCC bikes equal BLAND! Go Jr
Senior must be right, oh yeah that must be why none of his sons or family talk to him anymore. He’s full of sh**. He keeps acting like he doesn’t need them. When he says he doesn’t need them he looks about as truthful and sincere as all the MLB players sitting in front of Congress claiming they have never done steroids. complete bs
Paul Sr.
You are a dry drunk!!!
A horrible parent. I’ve never seen anything like this.
Your ego is out of control!!!
Grow up Fathers are not around forever you spoiled ASSHOLES
That is for the Teutul Boys they just want $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I now been there
To OCC,
Each week I could not wait to watch your show, one to see the beautiful bikes you build and the fun in which you had in your shop with your employees and most importantly father and son’s.
Paul Sr.
You were blessed with the gift to design and to build bikes, you were also blessed with another gift your children in which you are suppose to nuture and care for no matter what. You are the parent and father figure!, however, you are acting like a child. You need to place your kids first and place your pride second. How many months or years will you have to waste. Your son will be getting married soon, how will you feel when you are not in attendance. How would you feel if you were in your sons shoes…..think about it.
Paul Jr. and Mikey,
If I were your mother I would have to say how proud on how you are handling the situation with your father. Paul you will do a great job on your own, no one BOSSING or yelling at you like your father did; even though this may have been for ratings.
Mikey you keep on trying to get your family together, don’t let your father bully you in bowing down to his insensitive attitude towards you and your brothers. It appears that both you and Paul Jr. understand what family means. Your father has forgotton what family means, he is lost, his ego is bigger and more important than his family based on what I see from T.V.
Your relationship with your father will mend in due time, however, the way he allows himself and his employees to make fun of his own flesh and blood on TV is so childish. It only shows that he will do anything for ratings even if viewers lose respect for him. I will continue to watch your show to follow your success with your new business including marriage. Keep the faith!!
Best of luck to both Paul Jr. and Mikey!!
for all those uninformed idiots on here. paul sr. and paul jr. started the shop 10 years ago. not paul sr. they went in as partners. jr’s new logo sucks. his fiancee sucks. none of the bikes are street legal. if a company asked me to build them a bike i could easily design a bike just like these guys do. you can outsource all the machining. all you need is a rendering. it’s not rocket science. do you know how many welders there are in the world. and welding steel is not hard.
oh, and can sr. wear a shirt with sleeves once and a while. he’s not a 1%er outlaw biker. show some respect to your clients.
also, while they probably have lots of reshoots and what not this is not fake. they hate each other. also, paul jr. is being sued b/c his dad gave him 20% of the company for free and was to stupid to stipulate if you leave you have to gift it bake. therefore he is not entitled to the 20% for free which is what he wants. he says it’s worth 0$. basically paul jr. is making bank off doing nothing and sr. hates it. jason pool sucks, sr. sucks. can’t wait to see him sell his building and dozens of cnc and water jet machines b/c he thinks people want to pay 80,000+ for a lame bike when they could get a real bike aka harley
…most people will never know how hard – almost impossible it is to start, build and grow a business from scratch and make it last for over 30 years. There’s no doubt that doing so requires guts, sacrifice and a bit of luck . A unique person with drive, motivation and talent.
Try it sometime and see how unbelievably hard it is to last even one year…
Look around and notice even in the show’s beginning how fully equipped the OCC shop was with tools, special machinery, expensive parts and raw materials…the very things that are the core of most any business’ success. And the greatest expense by far.
Acquiring things like that take a lifetime to accumulate. Look around your personal garage and see if you have even ONE of the industrial tools like those seen in Sr’s shops. Probably not huh? Same here. Why? because most of us just don’t have the balls to risk everything it takes to start out in business nor the money to even dream of trying.
Think about it…if you DID have all the tools and parts already in place for you to grab any time you need something, you (or even I) could come away with a building a pretty respectable custom made motorcycle.
To me the show was ALWAYS about Paul Sr and his generosity in bringing his family into an already established empire and letting them share in the use of the facilities he created.
Sure Jr has motorcycle building talent BUT, where do you think he got much of the background for that? By working in a welding shop that had tools and materials and customers and projects and drawings. A shop with forklifts, cranes, loading docks, welding machines, cutting torches, tool boxes, work tables…the list goes on and on. Oh yeah, and don’t forget, all that was provided by Sr long before Jr helped ‘build the business’.
To me the show’s entertainment is in admiring how much wealth Sr has generated for so many; how respected he is by other very successful businessmen that appreciate how Sr’s lifetime of experience qualifies him to enjoy technical celebrity status; in seeing how many people Sr employs – do any of you have even one employee? Me neither.
Jr and Mikey are insignificant, envious, conceited, embarrassingly immature men who had everything given to them but were too arrogant to even recognize the chance of a lifetime to participate within a jewel of an opportunity.
Of course that’s personally sad, but those two are laughable while Sr and his self built empire is an impressive demonstration of a guy with a business who lives the American Dream…Look in HIS garage folks?
Paul Sr built the business, Jr and Mikey deserve nothing, because nothing is what they put in the business. OCC is building awesome bikes without Jr. I dont think either one could make it on their own. niether one knows what work is, two spoiled rich kids. Mikey has no talent whatsoever, the only thing funny about him is the fact that he thinks he’s funny and considers himself an artist. without their father, niether Paul or Mikey would have anything. Paul Sr has far more talented fabricators than he had with his son.
I’m sorry, I feel bad about the problems between senior and junior but I believe that they are more alike than either of them will ever admit. I do believe that senior seems happy whenever he talks about his son failing. I don’t care if he IS building a business to compete against senior, he should still want his son to succeed. Personally, I think it’s about time for senior to retire anyway. He talks about junior and his “work ethic” but the only thing he ever said was negative about him coming late, never anything about the fact that he usually stayed later than anyone else. He’d come in 15 minutes late but be there 3 hours later. Is he a great worker?? Maybe not, but I see that OCC has gone through A LOT of employees. There’s only one constant…..SENIOR!!! Who was the real problem?? I know that if my employer screamed at me like that I would knock him on his azz. I just hope the family ends up together because senior seems to be looking a little rough lately. I think he’s having health issues which could be the whole ’scenario’ with junior and senior….good TV.
I Agree with Tim Upton’s comment
I Just seen the new episode and it seems
like paul jr is trying to work hard now
but He didn’t try when He worked for Dad
All the Old guy wants its respect. He’s
trying to teach his lazy assed kids You
Can’t have something for nothing. And
I can’t believe Vinny Works for JR. He was
the one left alone all day when Paul jr went
on his little coke runs.
STRANGE THERE WERE NO MEDIA OR FANS AT THE COURT HOUSE
I could not agree anymore with Harley Rider. Jr. is a spoiled little brat. I hoe he sinks faster than a boat anchor.
Seems a little odd that Sr called Mikey with a peace offering after winning the legal judgement..hopefully it was a sincere peace offering. Could also be that he wanted Mikey to know he would be the sole owner and was trying to get him back into the O.C.C fold with other former O.C.C people coming back eventually, leaving Jr alone…one more dig at Jr that Sr could then twist his mustache around like an evil genius would with a fiendish laugh…….
Yea, I know lots of speculation but it’s a thought.
@steve,well thanks for letting us know the outcome.no news here is south africa as to the court case.
could you elaborate a bit more on this.
surprised to hear that Jr. lost.
I am closer to Sr age then Jr. I can not believe what a a$$hole Sr has become. I watched the show last night wanting to see more of Mikey and Jr then Sr. Sr is becoming senile, maybe his wife is filling his head with sh*t, he is not happy and looks pretty tatered. Maybe it is just to keep a show going with slipping ratings. I am confused this year, noone can be that much of a a$$hole.
Im pissed off…. Im from Dallas Texas.Born and raised.And have worked in a small shop 20 min outside of dallas with my father Phillip Hoad.working on cars.My father is just like paul sr,he feels like he has to show his sons that he is always bigger and badder.but at the end of the day paul jr and Mikey are you sons.I think this fame and money is getting the best of your family.It needs to stop. people do care what happens to your family.I hope sr can get passed whatever may be going on with the cameras and call his sons and tell them that he loves them and he is sorry.but then that would make him feel weak. BUT really that would be the bigger man… your kids need you sr.I hope you work things out. your fan paul Hoad
If my Dad were still alive I would be the happiest person in town. I cherish the thought of what he instilled in me. A respect for what he was and what he had to overcome to get to the pinnicle of life. Paul Jr. is and will continue to be an arrogant, thoroughly spoiled and irretrievably disrespectful P—k. His “design” talent is limited to input from solicitors of the custom bikes, and trial and error input from the more important members of the build team. his “fabrication” abilities are useful to the success of the theme bikes, but without the initial success of the business his father started and brought him into, he would be sucking canal water. If Jr. were to waltz into ANY other business, late, with his designer sunglasses and ever present drink cup in hand he would be a prime candidate for the unemployment line. I have read most of the postings, and many have the idea that Jr. is just a clever bolter on of the miriad custom parts that are now out there. I firmly believe that. Give credit to the employees that get there on time, to Nubby for his paint and graphics, to Vinnie who put up with crap, and take credit away from the ones who suck off the teat of success with out respect for how the milk and honey came their way. Boo and hiss to the producers who fixated on the clashes between Sr. and Jr.for their own corporate greed. Better editing would have spared the viewers the destruction of the family unit, and just MAY have spared that downward spiral. Boo to Mikey for his slovenly appearence and slacker ways. He is old enough to be more than the clown he is on the show. If it’s alcohol, I feel sorry, but has no one on the team ever heard of AA? I taught mechanics for many many years at a local trade show, and NEVER allowed misuse of some of the dangerous machines as portrayed on the show. For example on dozens of occasions I have seen ALL of the regular (parts-bolter-oners) MIG weld while NOT wearing proper eye protection. What a safety issue to send to the many kids out there who may want to get into the profession. I could go on, but I fear it is fruitless. Good bye Jr. and mikey, and good riddance. Learn some respect for your elders, your father, and for an honest DAYS work. Take the silver spoon out of your a-s and grow up. and lastly, that grill you “designed” is a pathetic joke, and your attempts to start your own business bolting on other manufacturers custom parts is the stuff those leech TV producers dream of. You all is being had loser. A real biker dosent need the s–t you shovel to love their sport.
I have watched from the begining. Sr started the shop but Jr built the shop. At some point you have to let your kids be adults and stop being Dad(I tell you it’s not easy, I have 1 Daughter and 1 Son both in their 30’s). It would be hard to come to work every day if you know Dad will always find something to yell about(oh the stress). Sr, you want to do right? Start making 3 lines of bikes 4 models each. One is Mikey, one is Jr and one is Sr designs. The market is there and you wouldn’t have to yell at everyone to do it your way. PARENTS, , , , a bunch of has beens.
Harley owner Dave, get your head out of your arse.
“If my dad were still alive”? what has that got to do with this?
So everyone is this world that has a problem with their father should think of Harley owner Dave? Cos Harley owner Dave wishes his dad was still alive so he could appreciate everything. So if some guys dad murders their mother they should still love their dad?
It’s fair enough having an opinion (don’t we all?) but bawling about your father don’t cut no ice.
Sr started the business, but he couldn’t design a fart if he ate a truck load of beans and onions…
sr laughing and shouting at his sons, and refusing to speak to Danny… c’mon?
sr falls out with three sons makes sr the victim? a pattern forming??? HELLO!
sr is a bully with a head like stewie griffin…
Any parent can fight with their sons/daughters but dissing them on T.V. and having a case of Schadenfreude is damn wrong. Who is the parent????
GET A GRIP!!!
Don Peters,
A man who knows!
Thank you Don, Rock on M8…
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i just wonder if all this sueing business is real. It seems to me that the Discovery channel may be doing this for ratings.
to ripper
STRANGE THERE WERE NO MEDIA OR FANS AT THE COURT HOUSE
This whole thing is really starting to get boring.
Okay I am just wondering from a bosses point of view how many of you pro Jr. guys would have let your employees come and go as they please and just generally do what they like?Even if you did gift them a little bit of “your” company for $O.00. I mean it seams as if he tried fairly hard to keep him happy, he gave them ridiculous salaries, and even gave up part of his well earned buisness. That to me seems like a position I would give my left nut to have.
But seriously what would you do to your employee/son if he never respected you,your company,or your rules?
And don’t say give him another chance please. He has gotten tons of those.
It was not a employee it was his son. It was not a employee, he was a partner with 20% of the company. He didnt seem to bitch when Sr would say I want this done tonight and they worked late. I have lost alot of respect for Sr this year, he whines like a little bitch. I dont know who his new wife is but I think she stolen his balls. I dont see chopper going another year, and judging from board and ratings ………………. Cant wait to see episode where he rolls past Sr shop with the gieco bike. Now THAT is a piece of art, not that tired sh*t occ is putting out now.
Take away everything …. no realty take away all the material and money what’s left is what is really important. A good pats of who we are come from the interaction with other (Family, Fiends, Enemy). With that in mind who in this case can realty blame the other ! We all became to where we are in life because of the others around us and will continue to do so for the rest of our life.
But we are the one choosing how to interact …. dude ! choose carefully.
Maxx! what planet are you on?
Sr gave his son a chance and with that chance jr launced occ.
sr is living in the past. old school this old school that…
Sr gifted? jr a piece of the company? before jr’s designs or after????
Sr then getting the company valued at zero dollars? was funny when jr offered on radio to buy sr’s share 80% for zero… sr again, a muppet…
Maxx, when you say, “And don’t say give him another chance please. He has gotten tons of those.” I assume you mean Sr??? LOL. BTW, he doesn’t deserve one.
Maxx! dude! you are craving occ lifestyle “I would give my left nut” crap dude! if you were listening to sr and if he was your dad you would not say that…
sr is a good businessman no doubt, but he didn’t design anything that made occ.
He did however, help create T.V’s. top loudmouth, big headed,egotistical, alcohol craving bully boy…
More like orange county floppers I’d piss on their bikes, thats all they are good for. Truth be known JR is probably GAY and uses drugs. What a looser. Soon he will run back to daddy. Mikey is not even in this world he is so screwed up. Who cares I dont watch them
rufas you’d be funny if you were honest…
for someone who doesn’t watch them??? you know a lot…
rufas, stop drinking paint thinners… LOL
Hahn Shandy has his opinion, but obviously can’t read and comprehend (write back Hahn and I’ll help you with the big words) or he would see that I was saying that JUNIOR should be honoring his father as I do, and not disrespecting him. There WILL come a day when Sr. is gone and JUNIOR will come to realise what ‘ole dad did for him. My respect for what my dad did for me was what I wanted to convey. If Shandy has or had a father (that he was aware of) he might feel the same way. The main point is JUNIOR is just that…JUNIOR With senority comes respect for your elders, and in particular your father. Have a nice day Shandy. Hey I just thought, a “shandy” is where you add ginger ale to a beer…a British ladies drink! Look it up. The discovery channel just keeps raking in the $$$ at the misery of others! American corporate greed at its best.
first of all jr. went to fab school. if he were intelligent he would have trade marked the occ logo and taken it away from sr. secondly, none of us know if they were given a big advance before the show aired to buy all that equipment. they didnt shoot it and air it right away. anyone who has ever worked for family knows that you get little bonuses about being on time, etc but you also get more crap outside work than others. cody should sue senior(he is) for millions and settle for less. sr is on camera saying, “this is your bike”, but took it away from him. none of us have ever or will ever read anyone’s contracts visa vie the network or occ. all i can tell you is that them bikes are gay. i appreciate welding and paint which is mainly why i watch the show. mikey brought alot of fans to the shop regardless if he makes a product or not. sr. could have fired paulie along time ago but didn’t have the balls. sr. built a steel company not a bike company. and he had partners in both. he’s a megalomanic who can’t do anything w/o someone looking over his shoulder. if he came to my place of business w/o those gay shades and cut off shirts i’d tell him to leave. jr. might be “lazy” but at least he’s not a horrible person.
oh and you have to earn respect. you don’t get it by being a drug addict, alcoholic neglectful father for more than half of your childs life.
to “suck”: Ya all got part of it right. Jr went to trade school. The “fab” is his favorite word. Probably right about the advance. When you “work” (and on behalf of Jr. I use the term loosely) you have a vested interest in seeing that all aspects of the business are geared to success. Heavy emphasis on ALL. sloughing off time, big houses, expensive “toys”, and a p–s poor work ethic are not what Jr. owes the business (take Sr. out of the picture). Sr. may be a megalomaniac, but Jr. is a card carrying, egotistical, spoiled (by his own AND his fathers hand brat. He is in love with the camera, and plays to it. He says and does just exactly what he has to say to polish his knob (Jr. vs Sr.) Sr comes across as real, even if somewhat neanderthal. (Oh all right, QUITE Neanderthal) Jr has a lot of talent, I’ll give on that, but if not sheltered by a father that put up with his s–t for so long he would have been canned at the second day of showing up late, or taking a two hour “break” with his hotsie for lunch. Cody was supposed to go to school in Florida and come back to OCC. When did it ever say on the show that the bike for him was irrevocably his, and IF it was, he had to have title to license it, so how does Sr. figure in on taking it away. As far as the bikes being gay, I will bow to your expertise. And if I come to your place of business with a muscle shirt and shades and you tell me to leave, I’d head to first the local paper, then the TV station, and the American Civil Liberties office, and finally our attorneys office to file for a piece of your “pie” which I suspect is mostly a lot of stale crumbs anyway. Rock on sweetie
SWE 8/25/10
You know you are very insulting calling us stupid Americans. We are all aware this is just scripted, what we are really doing here is trying to say Hello producers this shit is stupid we are about to stop watching because we’re sick of the fighting.
All of us know we are being taken for a ride here with this reality show and it’s just not funny anymore. As for your prejudice against us you really can’t judge anyone by comments on something like this because it’s not real why do you think we looked for a place to comment about this stuff in the first place. Grow up and stop stereotyping everyone and base your opinions on facts.
Harley owner dave! you really are a top class plonker (idiot)
Honour thy father? what? Is this religious. Honour my bollox! This is 2010…
You should only honour (not a word i would use) but someone you respect…
Big deal that you loved your father, you can’t tell others to respect their father just because you did…
Yes! their will be a day when Sr is gone and Sr will be sorry that he didn’t get his big ego filled alcolohic head out of his ass before he hit the bucket…
If Shandy has or had a father he was aware of???? what???
Junior is junior??? Piss off! everybody is a number… Nobody is better than the rest.
Anyone can be a father, few can be a dad, AND Sr is not a dad, he is a dictator…
Harley owner dave: you showed your ignorance when you said:
” Hey I just thought, a “shandy” is where you add ginger ale to a beer…a British ladies drink! Look it up. The discovery channel just keeps raking in the $$$ at the misery of others! American corporate greed at its best.”
#You are retarded!!! A shandy is an alcolohic drink with a mineral (lemonade… etc) top.
also known as a larger top…
But to really show your stupid ignorance. Hahn Shandy is a play on Hand Shandy which is a wank… A bird pulling your member (you know what member means in this sentence?)
She gave me a hand shandy… C’mon! does everyone have a serious name??? Lighten up…
You sound like an old sad parent that wishes he did better…
Remember, Sr dissed his kids on TV. That is a no. no.
Never disrespect family…End of….
seriously, i would love to see what contracts sr. has been in charge of cementing. i’d much rather have a west coast choppers bike any day of the week. and, i can refuse service to anyone i want for any reason. i wouldn’t send a normal person away, just sr. he wore that crap to a mosque in dubai. give me a break. i mean honestly, what is so cool about a “theme” bike? it’s cool for the company, but it doesn’t bring in any revenue to account for it’s cost. also, what bike put them on the map? the 1st web bike did. as for a chopper,..choppers are meant to lose weight and be just function, like a bobber, but with a long rigid frame. how does adding mig guns to the struts and welding helmets for the headlight achieve this? i can almost guarantee that the producers included in jr’s contract that he had to show up late in order to get a rise out of his dad. and now that he’s gone sr. does is find other things to whine about. as for big houses and toys, sr. built a huge house on alot of land, has an amg mercedes and other toys i don’t know about. i wouldn’t let sr. or jr. build or design me a bike. sr. is a pos. why else would all 3 of his children not speak to him? this is just speculation, but i can see him being on drugs and beating his children so easily. he needs therapy. i hope he loses all his money. and as for the law suit, he wants to buy his 20% for $0.00. since jr. won’t sell something for nothing senior decides he needs 1,500,000.00 from jr. along with the 20%. would you value 1/5 of the company at 500,000? doubt it. he just needs money to pay for his building since orders aren’t coming in anymore.
by the way harley, if you need help with big words we can start with the word realize. it’s a z, not an s. you sound like someone who would go on the god hates fags tour. piss off.
its on tlc now by the way
You know I’ll be the first to say I don’t think either really builds bike, they decorate them but with that said I like the bikes jr worked on alot better than that stupid mig welder pos but I am talking in a buisness point of view only. At some point in time your son has to be treated like an employee if you want him to have a good work ethic. Everyone keeps sayin “he’s his son this and that” True but he was an overly paid employee while clocked in to sr’s company.
When it all come down to it even if jr did “super” work (I don’t think so) he would have never have had that option if sr didn’t have that buisness. Do you think someone else that hired him would have allowed his work ethic? No he would be fired. You guys also think it was his bikes that boosted the company, so if he didn’t have his dad and got a job working at a shop somewhere do you think the owner of that shop would of gave him any credit or the sane pay or part of his company??? Nope a regular buisness owner takes your work that boosted his company and doesn’t give you anything except a little raise if your lucky, and most employees are glad they did there job well and are stoked for a raise.
Fact of the matter is Sr provided him everthing that made him anyone.
If it was not for Sr would anyone here even know who in the world is Jr???
(and to those who switch that question around) maybe, but either way Sr would still have both companies and would still be riding the same bikes he is now
And yea Mikey is funny to laugh at but if it was not for his father he would be asking for change on the corner somewhere. I understand (not agree) your guys arguments for Jr but I don’t have a clue how anyone can think Mikey is not just a piece of shlt.
the bottom line is that it was the TV show that made them what they are.if the TV show had not come along when they did, they would still be making shit iron horses in some dungeon below sr’s house.
these guys wont run out of money, not when sr, is getting paid 70k an episode.
they all got loads of money.
what they havent got is love for each other.
I am not sure how common it is, but it does happen. Even adults are able to completely block traumatic events. In many cases, until that child or adult is put into a similar circumstance, they will never remember. Repressed memories are also able to surface with hypnosis, although there is some argument that the memories are created or placed with an untrained hypnotist.
70k an episode? i don’t know where you get your facts from, but if that is the case i’d quit. that’s chump change. freakin kate plus 8 gets 250,000 per, and her kids get paid too. did ya’ll know that senior sold the iron works to paulie, and paulie to dan, and then they filed bankruptcy to screw their creditors out of 1.3million. they have been very savvy(that means slick for you people) in setting up llc’s and what not in order to insulate themselves.
well, i read that sr. was getting 700k an episode,cant remember if it was this site or another one similar to this where people can unwind, i thought, 700k and all the squillions for the bikes etc, then sr must be worth, after some 100 episodes a few hundred million.
well, i dont know, but unless you snorting, its difficult to spend that kind of change.
and if what you say about selling the iron works to screw people out of 1.3 million then legally they may be clever but morally they are wrong. to do that when you have millions more in your bank accout,they deserve what they getting.. smells of crookery. greed and lust for money is in their hearts. well they got what they want,money, and everything else in their lives is a mess.
no balance what so ever.
and what happened in the court case??
What a ride!
Sr started back when choppers were truly chopped bikes. The family had a little money – Sr built bikes. Good success. His family came along and got involved. Jr got involved and was more interested in expanding into new style bikes. Not bad, and it led to some challenges with Sr. Whatever talent for building bikes jr has, was edited from the show. He was inept and a poor mechanic. His salvation was Vinnie and the talented fabricators that went through the shop. Jr has “vision” but if he could change a tire by himself he rarely showed the ability.
Sr had a business to run, not just Jr’s specialty bikes. We weren’t privy to the business aspects – but it is Sr who pays the bills. Jr showed as a spoiled rich kid who did what he wanted when he wanted and expected everyone to stand in awe of him – while he harassed them and did little beyond the inception of an idea.
Poor Mikey seemed to come along as comic relief. the bumbling idiot who got tired before he could empty the trash cans.
The show and the specialty bikes no doubt forced the growth in the shop. The drama often seemed to be made for tv. Who knows what happened when the cameras shut off.
How many times did the lackadaisical attitude for time constraints force the late hours? Few business owners would allow anyone to scoff at being at work on time. It isn’t just your job, but everyone that depends on you doing your job so they can do theirs. It seems like the tv drama grew until they couldn’t tell when they were acting or being serious.
Jr wanted a piece of the pie so he would be motivated to be at work and work while there. Sr gave in. In no time jr was his self again. late and lazy. Sr offered to buy Jr out. Jr made unreasonable demands and every time Sr tried, now this, now that. So Sr sues.
Sad. Jr the spoiled crybaby is the victim. Of his own misdeeds and attitude.
The whole family and business suffers.
In business no work means no pay. Jr has no work ethic.period
How sad so much drama seemed to draw the crowds.
As for the split – Jr will do great – IF he can put together a dream team that can do the work he dreams up like his dad provided.
As for Sr – Pohl can design any bike jr could dream up. He has for a long time. The fabricators / cnc machine operators can build anything Pohl can enter in the computer. Rick can bolt anything that comes out of the machine to the frame.
The bikes should keep coming – as good, or better than ever~
i think these guys should make a new start from now
they know these things that they are doing affecting them only
I feel that Paul Sr. should find out how much OCC is worth and give Paul Jr. his 20% and be done with all this crap. If it was’nt for all of Paul Jr.s designs on these bike the company may of never grew as big and as quick as it did. So I believe Paul Sr. needs to give in and make peace with the family and just move on. Just hope everything works out for the best if not there are other shows to watch that do bike builds.
they are being sued for screwing the vendors and creditors for 1.3 and it was sr. who instigated this by selling to jr who in turn sold to dan and transferred all the equipment at below cost to not let the bankruptcy folks get any money. as for the non-compete clause, it became null as decided by both parties when they renegotiated their tlc contracts. i’m looking forward to tomorrows episode. the plain and simple fact is that sr. wants the 20% for 0 dollars and jr. knows it’s worth just a little more than 0. he should sue occ for emotional distress and a scary work environment. he really shouldn’t, but when your dad acts like a baby sometimes you have to be one too.
WOW. I have never heard anyone toot their own horn as much as SR. What a jerk. Paul Sr. should be ashamned of his self and his wife should never stand for such a betrayel of family. Paul Sr. may be a large man, but his heart and responsiblity is as small as they come. I mute the tv when he talks during the show. He makes me sick.
Paul Jr. you have a great attitude for what your going through. Keep up the hard work.
I think if it was not for JR that business would have made it very far at all…Yes SR stated it ..But Jr perfected it with his talent and put them on the map