Q&A: Claudio Domenicali Talks Frameless Chassis, Sacred Cows, & The Future for Ducati

When I sat down with Claudio Domenicali at the Ducati 1199 Panigale R launch, the now-CEO of Ducati Motor Holding was still just the General Manager of the Italian motorcycle company. Four weeks after our interview though, Gabriele del Torchio would leave Ducati for Alitalia; and Domenicali, a 21-year veteran of both the racing and production departments of Ducati, would take his place at the top of Italy’s most prestigious motorcycle brand. After reading our interview from Austin, Texas after the jump, I think you will agree too.

Is Yamaha Using A Seamless Gearbox? The Data Says No

That Yamaha is working on a seamless gearbox is no secret, with Yamaha’s test riders currently racking up the kilometers around tracks in Japan. Recently, however, Spanish magazine SoloMoto published an article suggesting that Yamaha has already been using its new seamless gearbox since the beginning of the season. My own enquiries to check whether Yamaha was using a seamless gearbox or not always received the same answer: no, Yamaha is not using the seamless gearbox. To test this denial, I went out to the side of the track on Friday morning at Jerez to record the bikes as they went by.

OCC Coming Back to TV? — Universe Collapses in on Self

After a very public father/son break-up between Paul Teutul Sr. and Paul Teutul Jr., a steroid-ring scandal involving Paul Sr., and finally a bankruptcy proceeding, it appears that Orange County Choppers is the impossible to kill multi-headed hydra of doom that we all knew it was, as the custom chopper shop is once again headed to the small screen and recruiting some talent, on and off the show. Looking for “someone who will work alongside Paul Senior, running the shop and helping build some of the best custom motorcycles in the world,” OCC says it will be back on television with a new show later this month. Please for the love of god, will someone give this man the attention he craves so dearly??! Or, just shoot us in the face.

Alstare Superbike Concept by Team Alstare

We love us some concept bikes here at Asphalt & Rubber, and we have featured more than a few pieces of stunning design and imagination on our pages. Though, we can’t remember the last time one of these works of art were brought to us by a legitimate racing team, but that is what we have here with the Team Alstare Superbike Concept. A nod to the former Suzuki team’s return to the World Superbike Championship as the Ducati factory squad with Carlos Checa and Ayrton Badovini, Alstare has enlisted the help of designer Serge Rusak of Rusak Kreaktive Designworks to ink the shape of its futuristic Superbike concept, while Tryptik Studios handled the 3D modeling prowess.

Transcript: The Gay Question at Jerez

If you didn’t watch Thursday’s pre-event press conference for MotoGP at Jerez, it is worth a viewing right to the end (assuming you have a MotoGP.com account). Building off the news about the NBA’s Jason Collins coming out as gay in a self-written feature in Sport Illustrated, my good colleague David Emmett had the courage to inquire about the culture and acceptance of the MotoGP paddock for homosexual riders. For the sake of accuracy, after the jump is a full transcript of David’s question, as put to riders Cal Crutchlow, Jorge Lorenzo, Marc Marquez, Andrea Dovizioso, Stefan Bradl, and Scott Redding, as well as those riders’ responses to David’s inquiry.

2014 Suzuki GSV-R Spotted Again

News that Suzuki plans on returning to the MotoGP Championship in 2014 should be old information for dedicated Asphalt & Rubber readers, and the Japanese company’s inline-four race bike was already spotted doing test laps last year by the eager eyes at Cycle World. Well the American print-mag has another set of eyebrow-raising high-quality photos of the 2014 Suzuki GSV-R to mull over from the Motegi race track, along with some technical insights provided by the venerable Kevin Cameron.

BMW F800GS Adventure – Germany’s Middleweight ADV

A surprise addition to BMW Motorrad’s 2013 model line-up, zie Germans have announced a new middleweight adventure-tourer, the 2013 BMW F800GS Adventure. Like its larger predecessor, the BMW F800GS Adventure is a more travel-ready and off-road capable build of the recently updated BMW F800GS motorcycle. Featuring a larger windscreen, panniers, and a bigger fuel tank capacity (2.1 gallons larger, for a total of 6.3 gallons of fuel), the BMW F800GS Adventure keeps the same 85 hp, liquid-cooled, 798cc, parallel-twin engine found on the F800GS, as well as the same chassis configuration. Pricing in the US will be $13,550 for the base model BWM F800GS Adventure.

Kevin Schwantz Returns to Motorcycle Racing – Enters the Suzuka 8-Hours with Team Kagayama

Former 500cc World Champion Kevin Schwantz has certainly been in the news a bit these past few months, mostly for his involvement and falling out with the Circuit of the Americas and the Americas GP, but also more recently for his comments regarding Dani Pedrosa — we also sat down with Mr. Schwantz in Austin, and the Texan gave us some sobering insight into the future of American road racing. As if all that wasn’t enough, Schwantz is making a return to two-wheeled racing, and has entered the prestigious Suzuka 8-Hours endurance race with Team Kagayama racing alongside Noriyuki Haga and team owner Yukio Kagayama.

Öhlins Releases a Semi-Active Suspension Upgrade for the Ducati Multistrada 1200 S – But, What’s Next?

An interesting development on the aftermarket side of things has graced our desks, as Öhlins has released a “suspension control unit” (SCU) that upgrades the electronically adjustable suspension on the Ducati Multistrada 1200 S so that it becomes a semi-active suspension system. Whhhaaaat??! So, if you’re the proud owner of a pre-2013 Ducati Multistrada 1200 S, and you think that your electronically controlled Öhlins suspension is no longer boss, now that Ducati has released its Sachs-powered “Skyhook” semi-active suspension pieces on its new batch of Multistrada sport-tourers, there is a remedy for your motolust.

Up-Close with the 2013 Yamaha YZR-M1

In case you missed our exhaustive coverage of the Grand Prix of the Americas, those fools at Dorna gave me pit lane access this MotoGP season. So while the whole paddock waits for the Spaniards to come to their senses, I don’t plan on wasting the opportunity to share with our readers our extreme access to motorcycling’s premier racing class. Accordingly, here comes another installment into our ever-continuing “Up-Close” series, featuring the very finest Iwata has to offer: the Yamaha YZR-M1. Thirty 2000px-wide photos are waiting for you after the jump.

Will the Mission R Actually Be Built? Yes, No, Maybe So…

08/06/2012 @ 2:18 pm, by Jensen Beeler23 COMMENTS

Will the Mission R Actually Be Built? Yes, No, Maybe So... mission motors mission r test ride 10

If you didn’t have the time to read my 3,700 word tome on what it is like to ride the Mission R electric superbike through San Francisco’s motorcycling playground, I will break it down for you: it was awesome. Of course, riding an entirely custom-built motorcycle with the absolute best components, design, and engineering available should be an awesome experience, especially when you add in one of the most sophisticated electric powertrains on the market. The Mission R isn’t some exercise in hugging trees and saving humpback whales though, it is an exercise in building a better motorcycle than what we have today.

We have known the downside to this discourse for some time though: Mission Motors is no longer in the business of selling motorcycles, and the Mission R is not, and will not, be available for sale (just ask Ryan Reynolds, who was turned down by Mission when he tried to get a Mission R of his very own) — sad trombone. If you too feel a might blue because of that news, I have some information that will pick you up this Monday afternoon. The guys at Mission Motors have been floating the idea of licensing the Mission R to a manufacturer, creating the possibility that if the right OEM was interested, the Mission R could become a publicly available motorcycle for your two-wheeling pleasure.

Tight-lipped on specifics, the only formal comment that Mission Motors will make about the subject is that conversations of this nature have taken place with OEMs, and that the company is open to the idea of either licensing the entire Mission R, or just its powertrain, to a well-qualified motorcycle manufacturer. While the Mission R in its current trim is easily a six-figure machine, using more obtainable components, and producing a run of some volume could bring the electric superbike’s price down into the $40,000 to $50,000 price range. Still a pricey endeavor to be sure, but not entirely unheard of when it comes to limited edition sport bikes.

When you take a step back for a minute, it is with great irony that Mission Motors made the Mission R electric superbike when it did. Known as Hum Cycles when it first set out to build an electric motorcycle, the company would later change its name as it came out of stealth mode and debuted the avant garde Mission One PLE. Despite the favorable press at the time, the Mission One by most accounts is now considered an epic failure.

Beautiful in its own right, the Mission One’s design however was entirely too edgy for the conservative tastes of the motorcycling community, which was already struggling to wrap its collective heads around the idea that the motorcycles of the future would that run off electricity rather than fossil fuels.

To complicate matters, the company’s first racing effort would end with a disappointing fourth place finish at the 2009 Isle of Man TT, and while the electric powertrain components on the Mission One were quite good (they were after all Mission’s core competency), the chassis was considerably under-developed, as was the bike as a whole. The $70,000 price tag didn’t help things much either.

Around the same time as Forrest North’s departure from the company in February 2010, Mission Motors went under a drastic change regarding its corporate direction. Focusing instead on supplying electric drive components to automotive OEMs, the company left its formal two-wheeled pursuits behind. However by the end of the year, Mission Motors debuted its second-generation electric motorcycle, the Mission R.

Learning from the mistakes of the Mission One, the Mission R features a well-sorted chassis, courtesy of James Parker of GSX-RADD fame, as well as a modern, but approachable, style that was tastefully done by Tim Prentice at Motonium. The best part about the Mission R though is that the bike has some serious racing chops — obliterating the competitive 2011 TTXGP field at Laguna Seca in with lap times that would have qualified it fifth on the AMA Supersport grid. The company then saw the departure of its last remaining founder, Edward West.

A looker and a runner, Mission Motors has broken many hearts, both in the electric & internal combustion realms, with the news that it would not be producing the Mission R for public consumption. The irony then, if you haven’t already caught onto yet, is that when Mission Motors was in the business of making electric motorcycles, it failed in that endeavor.

But when the San Franciscan upstart focused its efforts in other directions, its “rolling showcase” became a very competent motorcycle — something I got to witness first-hand not too long ago, and bringing us full-circle in this diatribe.

While today’s news isn’t a resounding confirmation that the Mission R is coming to fruition, it at least cracks the door open to the possibility that one of the best street-legal electric motorcycles in existence could come to some sort of purchasable realization.

Our next question is whom, if anyone, will pick-up the project from Mission, and if they do, will the Mission R have been in the public space too long for its unique design and characteristics to be relevant to a motorcycle buyer. Only time can tell.

Photos: © 2012 Scott Jones / Scott Jones Photography – All Rights Reserved

Comment:

  1. Archer says:

    “if the right OEM was interested, the Mission R could become a publicly available motorcycle for seventy five miles of your two-wheeling pleasure.”

    there, fixed that for you. Carry on good sir. ;)

  2. Actually, the interesting part about this is that by the time it came to market, the Mission R would have probably have double the battery pack on board. So, make that 150 miles of your two-wheeling pleasure.

  3. Spektre76 says:

    The guys at Mission Motors have been floating the idea of licensing the Mission R to a manufacturer, creating the possibility that if the right OEM was interested, the Mission R could become a publicly available motorcycle for your two-wheeling pleasure.

    So, greed wins again?

  4. protomech says:

    Mission R has what, around 14 kWh? That should be good for around 75 miles of riding like a lunatic or about 100 miles at legal speeds on the freeway. Around town – at speeds of 45-55 mph – it should see 120+ miles.

    Lightning claims 100 miles on the freeway from a 12 kWh pack, and Brammo claims 56 miles on the freeway from its 9.3 kWh pack.

    Mission also has some very nice onboard charger designs that share a liquid cooling system with the motor for reduced weight and packaging. The sample charger is a 4.5 kW unit, which almost certainly is not integrated into the R race bike. A future production model could be upgraded to a 30A or 40A unit .. which would give you recharge speeds of around 45 to 60 freeway miles per hour charging.
    http://ridemission.com/products/onboard-charger/

    The ultimate solution to bury “range anxiety” is fast DC charging. Ubiquitous, compatible fast DC charging stations – like the 480V CHAdeMO charging system used in the Nissan Leaf – could fill a Mission R-like bike to about 80% in 15 minutes (an effective rate of 320 freeway miles / hour).

    Wrinkles abound: batteries that can be charged quickly are compromised in other ways; regular fast charging can prematurely age today’s batteries; SAE and CHAdeMO are struggling with competing standards; 480v supply is uncommon. Most of these are engineering problems. We’re good at solving engineering problems.

  5. DeezToolz says:

    @img 14 of 33: Well those cops weren’t there because of a noise violation!

  6. NickGr46 says:

    To Mission Ones’s boss.

    Sell it to a japanese manufacturer, then let him build it in China or India.

    After that maybe the whole world is able to ride it….:P

  7. Hugh says:

    Man, that helmet is so cool. What I wouldn’t give to fit AGV’s…

    Oh and bike’s pretty neat too!

  8. Westward says:

    I’m guessing Honda

  9. Adam Silver says:

    Now they have Audi’s backing, Ducati should do this. However, I suspect there’s a big NIH culture at Ducati – so unlikely.

  10. Everett says:

    I didn’t get a chance to write in with the previous article, but I knew the results as soon as I saw the review: “the best bike that you can’t have (and only goes 75 miles)’. But now, with this, I’m stoked again, need to start saving. Do want.

  11. David says:

    Why in the hell would an OEM want to buy a POS like this when they (Honda maybe) could (if they ever get serious) pop out these kind of bikes in their sleep without even trying.?

    Once the large OEM’s decide there is a market for electric sportbikes then their massive engineering departments will start coming out with stuff that is megawatts ahead of what the current little guys are building.

  12. MR. X says:

    David, I’m no great fan of electrics, but really, calling it a POS? Who are you? Because you’d better have some serious cred to take that stance against something this complicated and difficult to create.
    Seriously, what merits have you to say that?
    I’m waiting.

  13. Marc F says:

    David, I think you grossly overestimate the ability of large OEMs to create highly focused products, especially in new categories, let alone excel in those categories. As the perfect counterpoint (laced with behind-the-scenes irony), Honda DID in fact build an electric superbike. It competed at Isle of Mann this year under the Mugen team. It did pretty well (3rd), but the Mission R is a superior bike (as were the two MotoCsysz bikes that beat the Mugen at IoM) despite being a full year older.

    The right team will beat a big team in a new space every time.

  14. Ken C. says:

    Electric drivetrain technology isn’t just a matter of slapping an electric motor and a few batteries into a chassis. Anybody can do that. It’s the engineering and development that goes into making the most efficient and best performing drivetrains out there. Why do you think OEMs like Mercedes Benz and Toyota partnered with Tesla Motors for electric drivetrain development in cars. Companies like Mission Motors and Tesla are years ahead of anybody else in terms of EV development. Unless OEMs sink a gazillion dollars into development, they’ll never catch up.

    That said, if Tesla Motors can go from building a few Roadsters to mass producing the Model S, I say Mission Motors can go from building the Mission One to mass producing the Mission R. It just wouldn’t be the same if an OEM took the Mission R drivetrain and put it into, say, a Honda Ruckus. :P

  15. David says:

    I’ll concede that it might have some interesting technology underneath the bodywork. But,for me, the lack of range makes it a useless,overpriced,POS. Sorry if that offends you guys, but that’s just the way I feel about something so expensive and so useless.

    An electric golf cart is more useful then the Mission R.

    I’m fully aware that the handwriting is on the wall for ICE transportation. The electric revolution has only just begun. It may not be in my lifetime, but I expect somebodies Grand kids will be laughing at their GrandPa when he tells them about having to put gasoline in his fuel tank for his motor run.

  16. protomech says:

    Marc – the Mugen placed 2nd at IOM TT Zero with their freshman entry. MotoCzysz has been racing there since 2009.

    John McGuinness is the best there is on the IOM. I’m hugely impressed at MotoCzysz’s gains over 2011 and that they beat out a well-funded racing effort with McPint onboard. With that said, Mugen was very conservative with their energy management – I would put huge odds against MotoCzysz placing a bike on top in 2013.

    Tesla is on top of the electric car game because they’re spending huge sums to do so. They don’t have a lot of legacy baggage and bureaucracy, but the difference in resources for Tesla vs Nissan et al is much less than MotoCzysz / Brammo / Zero vs the Hondas of the world.

  17. Hugo says:

    Where is the problem?
    you get the frame from the guy who built it, you buy from Mission motor the powertrain, as it is what they appear to be interested in. You fit it with the components you like and there is your bike. How much it would cost?
    If you need to ask …..

  18. Rob says:

    Sorry but for $40k and only a 100 mile range of normal riding is kind of a joke. There aren’t enough charging stations so in reality what ever you get is really cut in half plus another 10% for some peace of mind. Once charging stations are everywhere like parking meters then a bike like this will make sense. Also prices have to be similar to gas powered motorcycles if electric motorcycles want to gain any type of market share.

  19. Marc F says:

    protomech, I’ll stand by my statement that the measure of resources is quality not quantity, and organizational capability is a bigger barrier than engineering capability. A huge team and bottomless cash reserves is not a formula for success in this nascent space. The challenge is simplified in a racing arena because the parameters for performance/success are tightly defined, and even there Honda first needed several first movers to define the challenge (fit as much battery on the bike as possible), and then some considerable outside help in creating a solution. A roadgoing bike is a far more complex problem than a race bike. Like the race space, Honda will wait for others to test and prove the waters. It will be 5 years or more before they are able to sell an electric superbike (barring an acquisition), at which point other players and likely several new brands will have established themselves.

    No one can optimize better than Honda, but they need other companies to point them to the spaces and products for optimization, and they take a long time to do it. They have an advantage in a space that is leveling off, but are too slow to create an advantage in one that is rapidly evolving. They can build a better bike than the Mission R, but by the time they do, Mission will have done the same, possibly twice over.

  20. Bob says:

    $40-50k is ludacris for 100 mile range. Missing has some catching up to do: the Brammo Empulse 100 mile range bike is $18k.

  21. Westward says:

    I agree with Rob.

    Bob, more like $19k, the federal incentives may be enough to negate tax, setup fees and such. But either way, its still too much for a theoretical 100 too…

  22. Bob

    Brammo still needs to actually deliver an Empulse R to the market, but when they do, I will be VERY surprised of it does 100 miles in real life use – especially with my heavy throttle hand.

    What EV OEMs claim on the test course, and what consumers experience in real life are two very different things.

  23. Spektre76 says:

    Maybe Mission just needs the financial backing of an OEM. Like the Audi / Ducati relationship.