Tuesday at Valencia with Scott Jones

11/12/2013 @ 3:43 pm, by Scott Jones18 COMMENTS



















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  • Apex

    For anyone wondering what the grates in the exhaust pipes are for… in case of a crash into the gravel they prevent that stones come through the exhaust pipes and get stuck or damage the engine.

  • TwoWheelLoo

    Ehhh, the factory honda’s new intake vents look preeeetty fugly… Albeit more go than show. Hayden back on Honda is going to be interesting, hope he can make the most of it.

  • motobell

    @apex i have wondered that.. good to know now.. it would seem to make sense to have that on sport bikes as stock.

    anyway, the RCV1000R did start very disappointingly today – i expected hayden to be at least .5 seconds closer to the satellite hondas.. i take a bet that he will not get that close all next year – would be nice to eat my words…. also seems to be no faster than the aprilia –

  • SBPilot

    @TwowheelLoo – Look up Honda’s 2001 NSR500 GP racer, essentially identical intake. I quite like this new intake, like a throw back to their NSR500. Now if they had the same type of livery to boot that would be awesome.

    I don’t know about most people, but I am extremely excited for next season because even just from the first tests it looks like there will be a lot of bikes duking it out. Ok, maybe not at the front, it will still be JL,MM,DP probably, but the mid pack looks like it’ll be one hell of a time. It’s very early days, but the open class bikes have the most potential to improve, where as the factory bikes can improve a little bit. As I predicted, Pol is very fast off the bat. Hopefully those FTR-Yamahas can also get up there and if Ducati can find another few tenths or so it looks so promising next year for some great racing.

    This is what it should be though, more riders on better bikes. Too often machinery is restricting the riders/drivers at the top level. Everyone seems so pumped, especially the ones who have had a big change from the past. Cal, Aoyama, Pol, Colin and especially Hayden.

  • TexusTim

    so if you hadnt noticed Honda is up to there old tricks again.
    please look back at the announcment of the production bike..they said “we have 4 ready to go just need teams to lease them too”..so the first two days of practice and hayden and ayoma are sharing a bike cuz they only got one from honda so far..what the heck kind of test is that ? great way to start a new team..they cant be worried that a production bike/rider might shine against the factory team could they?

  • Well the RCV1000 certainly is off to a slower start than most people expected. Making the ART bike look just fine especially considering the Honda was suppose to be .5 of a second of the factory Honda’s. That is with Casey riding the bike I suppose he could be .5 off the pace on a Suzuki too.

  • smiler

    Honda are not stupid. The Honda factory bikes fastest, the saelite bikes next and the production bike will be specifically designed not to be faster then the satelite bikes. Why would they do otherwise. It is also essentially a WSBK spec bike. See what replaces the Fireblade and what they will race in WSBK.

  • lampir

    what the different between rc213v and rcv1000r? i cant see much different acept the front cowling

  • @Smiller saying the RCV1000 is a WSBK bike is ridiculously consider it cost 1.2million to lease and motor/frame is based off a prototype minus the pneumatic valves. @ Lampir body work is different but the biggest difference RCV has conventional valve springs, non seamless transmission, 24 liters of fuel and Dorna spec ECU.

  • Conrice

    For everyone being disappointed at the slow start for the Proddie,

    1) Aoyama and Hayden are sharing a bike for the test
    2) It’s a brand new bike, there’s no data on it.
    3) It’s a new bike to Hayden
    4) It’s a new bike to Aspar
    5) It’s new software

    I’d look at the fact that Hayden was faster than the NGM boys and Redding/Aoyama Tuesday as a pretty good indicator that Hayden is going to do well.

    And as for the people saying that they’ll be designed to be slow – that’s not going to help anyone when they’re competing against a Yamaha that is essentially the same thing (production racer). They’ve made it have a little less revs , no seamless tranny, and it has to run a standard ECU. But other than that it’s the same. If you think pneumatic valves and a seamless transmission are worth 2 seconds – you’re crazy.

    Give some time for Hayden to get dialed into the Honda, give the Aspar boys some time to figure out the electronics and bike – and that bike’s time is going to fall considerably.

  • MTS Rider

    Not to mention that Hayden does not want to be the first guy to Bin a new Honda when things are just getting sorted out on the first bike for the team. I couldn’t agree more with Cornice. Honda wants to beat Yamaha on every level so there is now way the bike is designed to be slower. The electronics are a biggest difference and may keep them form competing with the Factory bikes, but the seamless gear box and pneumatic valves are about shaving off tenths not full seconds. The added fuel and additional engines could bring them into competition with the Satellite guys at a few of the longer circuits assuming they can sort out the standard ECU.

    BTW – look for Edwards to be strong early on, he has the most experience testing the standard ECU.

  • Conrice

    Wow, MTS – good point about having to ride cautiously. It’s even more so because if they bin a bike – they won’t have another one to test with!

  • sideswipeasaurus

    @SBpilot. That’s exactly what I thought too when seeing the mug on the new RC213V! Paint it yellow with a black 46 and from head on it’s the Nastro Azzuro NSR500.

  • SBPilot

    @sideseipeasaurs: we can dream!

    I’m amazed people don’t know how to put anything into context when commenting about the proddie lap times. It’s the bloody first test. No one is pushing the bike. Conrice and MTS Rider stated it perfectly. Not only does Hayden not want to crash it because he doesn’t want to damage the bike and slow progress, but also no one wants to hurt themselves before 2014 begins.

    Every rider that’s done a big jump has to take things step by step. I find it absolutely hysterical people are already seriously comparing the lap times riders did on the proddies vs the factory riders who have been comfortably riding their machines for at least a year, most for years.

    The fact Aleix on his M1 proddie is only 1.3 seconds off Marquez’s ridiculously fast time is quite an achievement. Remember Marquez is the champion, in his first year, he out rode everyone. His times he can do are a very very high standard. Aleix on the other hand just swung his leg over this bike and he’s with a new team and he’s just barely a second slower than Lorenzo, the master of the M1, riding a factory bike built around him.

    If we are to modestly give Aleix 3 tenths for being new on the bike, and the bike only 2 tenths for lack of bike development/team understanding of the bike etc. That only puts him about half a second off Lorenzo. If Bridgestone’s soft tire can still work with the proddies, I’m sure that’s good for at least another tenth or two…and you see where we’re going. The times are close. Now if Lorenzo and Yamaha can pull another half a second at Sepang (which he will have to to put up a fight) than the gap may increase again, but that doesn’t mean the proddie’s or the riders like Aleix won’t equally develop and go faster.

  • manny varela

    is that what the exhaust tip of the honda is called ?
    i always wondered why the repsol honda motogp bike
    had that welding cover on at the exhaust end.
    i used to think that was for noise management.
    those modified exhaust tips on the bikes are called (grates?)
    and why are they not available for regular sportbikes ?
    these so called “grates” should be standard on all
    sportbikes……how come nobody in the aftermarket sell
    or make exhausts with that option ?

  • Apex

    Ducati had them first, don´t know anymore when exactly they were invented. This picture i found is from June 2010 http://photos.motogp.com/2010/06/20/stoner_52_slideshow.jpg
    They had the idea after once Stoner slid into the gravel and could not rejoin the race because a stone got stuck in the exhaust system and blocked it, causing the engine to stall. Not to forget with the limitation they have to look gently after the engines. However, thats what i was told. My source is quite reliable and it sounds plausible to me. Maybe we are going to see it on “our bikes” as well – as always, trends come from professional racing

  • Manuel varela

    @Apex,Thanks for the knowledge bro
    That’s something i always wondered
    And you finally cleared that up for me.
    Your analogy makes the most sense
    I was totally wrong. Thanks
    I owe u a drink!

  • TwoWheelLoo

    @SBpilot agreed, the NSR throwback isn’t half bad, the Nastro Azzuro livery would be badass on the newer RCV. All the ride changes are going to be interesting!!!