A 2WD Hybrid-Electric Motorcycle for the US Military?

In the coming years, US special forces may be riding a tw0-wheel drive, hybrid-electric, multi-fuel motorcycle co-developed by BRD Motorcycles and Logos Technologies. Helping make this project possible is a Small Business Innovation Research grant from DARPA. The goal is to make a single-track vehicle for US expeditionary and special forces that will be nearly silent in operation, yet also capable of traveling long distances. Details on the proposed machine are light, of course, but it sounds like the 2WD dirt bike will be based off the BRD RedShift MX (shown above), and use an electric drivetrain, as well as a multi-fuel internal combustion engine to achieve its goals.

Colin Edwards Will Retire from Racing after 2014 Season

Announcing his decision during the pre-event press conference for the Red Bull Grand Prix of the Americas, Colin Edwards told the assembled press that 2014 would be the Texan’s last season racing a motorcycle. Citing a lack of improvement on his performance in pre-season testing and at the Qatar GP, Edwards decision perhaps answers the lingering question in the paddock of when the American rider would hang-up his spurs after an illustrious career in AMA, WSBK and MotoGP. Talking about his inability to come to terms with the Forward Yamaha, which Aleix Espargaro was able to take to the front of the pack in Qatar, Edwards was at a loss when it came to understanding the Open Class machine and his lack of results.

MSF Updates Its Basic RiderCourse Curriculum

It is no surprise that statistics from the NHTSA show that motorcycle accidents and injuries are on the rise. According to the 2012 Motor Vehicle Crash report published by the NHTSA, motorcycle fatalities for that year rose to 4,957, up seven percent from 2011, while injuries increased 15% to 93,000. While the NHTSA statistics are misleading because the motorcycle category includes mopeds, scooters, three-wheelers, pocket bikes, mini bikes, and off-road vehicles, new riders need every advantage they can afford. The Motorcycle Safety Foundation has taken notice of these statistics and has revised the curriculum for its Basic RiderCourse to include a new Basic eCourse, which students will take prior to in-person instruction.

Yamaha Trademarks “R1S” & “R1M” at USPTO – “YZF-R1M” Trademarked Abroad – But Why?

Are new Yamaha YZF-R1 models coming down the pipe? That’s the question being asked after trademark filings in the US and abroad tipped off Yamaha Motor’s intention to use “R1S”, “R1M”, and “YZF-R1M” for motorcycle, scooter, and three-wheeled purposes. The filings are being taken as hints towards a possible multiple trim levels of the Yamaha YZF-R1 superbike, with the “S” and “M” designations being different spec machines than the current base model. The “S” nomenclature is a popular one in the two and four-wheeled world, though “M” would certainly be a novel designation, outside of say…BMW.

Bell & COTA Create Texas-Themed Limited-Edition Helmet

Continuing its theme of making limited-edition helmets for premier-class US rounds, Bell Helmets has teamed up with the Circuit of the Americas and Chris Wood, of Airtrix, to create a Texas-themed Bell Star Carbon helmet, just in time for COTA’s MotoGP race next weekend. Available only until April 13th, the Bell/COTA helmet features a red, white, and blue flag motif on the front, with both the American and State of Texas flags visible, which then wrap around the rear to merge with a hardwood design, reminiscent of the floorboards in a Western saloon. The helmet is also crowned with a Longhorn cattle skull, which adds to the Texan motif. The specially designed helmet also features a horseshoe, the COTA logo, and the 2014 Red Bull MotoGP of The Americas logo.

Aprilia Mounting a Return to MotoGP in 2016

Towards the end of the 800cc era, MotoGP looked to be in dire condition. Grids were dwindling, factories were reducing their participation, and teams were in difficult financial straits indeed. By the end of 2011, there were just 17 full time entries, Suzuki was down to a single rider, and were about to pull out entirely for 2012. How different the situation looks today. In a recent interview with the official MotoGP.com website, Aprilia Corse’s new boss Romano Albesiano gave a brief outline of their plans. The Italian factory will continue to work with the IODA Racing team for 2014 to collect data on the electronics and tires, which they will use as input on an entirely new project being worked on for 2016.

This Is Pretty Much What the Monster 800 Will Look Like

With the advent of the Ducati Monster 1200, it was only a matter of time before Ducati’s middleweight liquid-cooled “Monster 800″ would be spotted, and unsurprisingly the machines have a great deal in common. The one big difference seems to be that the 821cc Monster gets a double-sided swingarm, which has become Ducati’s new way of differentiating between its big and medium displacement models of the same machine, see entry for Ducati 899 Panigale. With the spied Ducati Monster 800 looking ready for primetime, and a pre-fall launch isn’t out of the question. Giving us an excellent glimpse into what the Ducati Monster 800 would look like, Luca Bar has again used his Photoshop skills to render up images of the still unreleased “baby” Monster.

Photos of the Mugen Shinden Ni sans Fairings

Given the competitive nature of the electric racing realm, its rare to see the big high-power bikes without their fairings, as teams are reluctant to reveal their secret sauce. Debuting the Mugen Shinden San this past weekend in Tokyo though, Team Mugen did just that, giving us a glimpse into the inner workings of the team’s 2013 race bike, the Mugen Shinden Ni. You don’t have to be an electron-head to get excited by these photos, as any race bike with a carbon fiber frame and swingarm is pretty drool-worthy, though the Shinden Ni’s carbon fiber battery enclosure does hide a great deal of the electric superbike’s geek factor. While the sheer size of the battery bike is impressive, it was expected when the Shinden was first announced.

Mugen Shinden San (神電 参) Electric Superbike Revealed

Mugen’s third purpose-built electric superbike for the Isle of Man TT, the Mugen Shinden San, has been revealed in Japan. Campaigning two machines for this year’s TT Zero race, Mugen has John McGuiness and Bruce Anstey at the helm of its “Shinden San” bikes, as the duo looks for a one-two finish in this year’s race. With MotoCzysz not racing at the Isle of Man this year, Mugen is a hot favorite to take the top podium spots, as well as crack the 110 mph barrier for electrics on the historic Snaefell Mountain Course (Mugen is targeting a 115 mph lap). An evolution on the company’s previous designs, the Shinden San fits 134hp — 10hp more than last year, thanks to a new smaller three-phase brushless motor provided by Mission Motors — into its 529lbs bulk.

Trackside Tuesday: The Winning Personality of Jack Miller

Chatting with a couple of NASCAR fans recently, I was reminded that any competition is boring if you don’t care who wins. But if you do care, then even cars driving around in circles can be very compelling entertainment. Those NASCAR fans really cared about how their favorite drivers finished, and not only how they finished in the latest race, but what and how those drivers were doing off the track as well. Those fans had been captured by the personalities of those drivers. One of the things NASCAR does well is sell personalities. All major sports-related businesses do this to some extent, but some organizations do it better than others.

2013 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Breaks Cover in Indonesia

08/01/2012 @ 12:39 pm, by Jensen Beeler55 COMMENTS

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The quarter-liter sport bike market is about to get more interesting, as photos of the 2013 Kawasaki Nina 250R have sprung from Kawasaki Japan’s corporate site, ahead of the bike’s presumed late-fall international launch. Revising the long-time tested aesthetic of the previous generation Kawasaki 250R, the 2013 model takes more than a few cues from the current generation Kawasaki ZX-10R.

One of the best selling motorcycles in the United States, the Kawasaki Ninja 250R is surely feeling the pressure from Big Red, as the Honda CBR250R came to market last year, and has been a strong seller locally and internationally. With KTM to bring a 350cc sport bike to the USA in 2014, and other manufacturers eyeing the learner-bike model segment, Kawasaki has surely been feeling its dominant position in this space coming under fire, and has acted in response.

Not just last year’s machine in new clothing, the 2013 Kawasaki Ninja 250R features an all-new parallel-twin motor that has a dual-throttle valve, new pistons, cylinders, and crank cases. The new motor is said to make more torque in the low and midrange, when compared to its predecessor. The chassis is more rigid for 2013, and has more rubber bushings to reduce vibrations. Kawasaki has also updated the suspension pieces, and included wider 140mm tires on the baby Ninja.

Since technical details are still scarce, we have to evaluate the bike mostly superficially, but the 2013 Kawasaki Ninja 250R looks the business. A sporty and attractive machine, Kawasaki has addressed the concern that new sport bike riders may understand the importance of starting on a smaller machine, but ultimately are attracted to the “cool factor” attributed to the more stylized supersport-class bikes.

Equipped with optional ABS, it is good not only to see a lower-class model getting some nice tech, but for the intended purchaser, having ABS on-board seems like a smart decision on Kawasaki’s part, and makes for a smart distinction between the 2012 Kawasaki 250R and the other 250cc models.

No word on price yet, nor availability in the United States. More info as we get it.

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Source: Kawasaki Japan

Comment:

  1. whiskthecat says:

    Maybe the little ninja will finally join us here in the 21st century with fuel injection.

  2. AC says:

    I really dig it. I’m looking for a better commuter next year and this would be perfect. But I echo that top comment–put EFI in the damn thing for the US already!

  3. meatspin says:

    its got some upright ergos which makes it a lamb in wolfs clothing in my book.

  4. Sloan says:

    Are those options factory frame sliders I see in that one picture? Smart move if they are. I’m tired of seeing all the plastic on motorcycles with no protection.

  5. TT250 says:

    Wish list….efi,full sport ergo(high rearset,low clip ons) J gen style spoke on wheels.

  6. meatspin says:

    yeah, I want the more hardcore 250-400s they used to sell? They revved up to something ridiculous ? They didnt sell here in the US but I know they made them. This ninja looks good, but it and the new cbr250 leaves me flaccid for some reason.

  7. a tom says:

    Agree with the above, these ZZR’s are just not as exciting as the old ZX-2R’s they used to have; in-line 4 with a 9k redlined indeed. Of course, that would likely mean higher maintenance and Probably higher sticker, but you’d get so much more out of it.

    Actually, while they’re at it, bring back the ZX-4R’s in place of the current Ninja 400′s (not worthy of the tag).

  8. Eric says:

    Honda’s cbr250 already offers an ABS option, it’s good to see Kawasaki do so, too.

    I hope KTM’s 350 is offered as a naked bike, too; the 125 they sell in EU is delicious! A 350 version would be perfect. Not everyone wants a full fairing, or its repair bills when things go sideways (a realistic concern, especially for beginners).

  9. moon says:

    wow new look, hope they include EFI.

  10. Minibull says:

    @A Tom: They used to rev to 19,000rpm. I owned an FZR250 (same idea, inline 4, high revving etc) and it was brilliant. I fail to see how young people who are keen on bikes and engines, getting excited by these dull arse things. I rode one of the newer Kawasaki 250′s while owning my “old” 250. Just no comparision as far as I’m concerened…the noise off the inline 4 at those crazy revs is just insane, and so addictive haha.
    Thing is, it was reliable too, so long as you keep up the maintanence. I know of someone who has 90,000kms on his one, still going strong and revving high.

    Imagine what they could do now. They could pull 45hp and 19k rpm back in 1989…it took until the 2002 R1 IIRC for them to match the HP vs Displacement. hmm

  11. kong says:

    dude, it’s already released in indonesia, and i believe it’s 1st launched in there. it priced at around 5400 USD for non abs and 6000 USD for abs version

  12. a tom says:

    Sorry Minibull, that was supposed to say 19k… can’t type properly on my phone, and guess I should always reread. :P. Yes, the zx2R’s were beasts, as were the 4R’s. Too bad they’re not made anymore, and any older one you might find has lilkely been thrashed to he’ll and back… But then again, that was the half the fun of them. ;)

  13. 2013 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Breaks Cover in Japan – http://t.co/pjEeLjrV #motorcycle

  14. Pietro says:

    ” A sporty and attractive machine, Kawasaki has addressed the concern that new sport bike riders may understand the importance of starting on a smaller machine, but ultimately are attracted to the “cool factor” attributed to the more stylized supersport-class bikes.”

    Wow took them over ten years to finally figure this out?

    @Meatspin, I have a Honda RVF 400. The thing is brilliant!

    Go to 400greybike.com if you guys are interested in these little fast machines

  15. cahlaa says:

    THe FACT : Kawasaki Ninja 250R Breaks Cover in INDONESIA ….

  16. acep says:

    di indonesia sudah rilis, harga mulai rp49.9jt

    for indonesian market has been released,
    the prize from Rp49.900.000

  17. kish B says:

    She is the most awesome bike………!!!
    I wish she joins me in India soon…….
    Waiting for her eagerly……………….<3

  18. ah seng says:

    http://www.kawasaki-motor.co.id/read/all-new-ninja-250-performa-bengis-genre-sejenis

    from kawasaki indonesia website, this bike does come with fuel injection.

  19. So did the 2012 model…just not in the US. For the American market, FI & pricing will be key.

  20. condition_ONE says:

    Looks to be a good track bike once you can find a used one for about $3K after a year… Much improved looks. And yeah, EFI please!

  21. gildas says:

    With a smaller exhaust and no stickers, it pretty much fills my needs if I was to buy a bike now (nut I won’t, going back to uni).

  22. JohnMc says:

    I like the way they tied in the rear cowl and under seat plastic to the front fairing. It is a very pleasing refresh, I like this one much better than the 08+ plastic.

  23. BBQdog says:

    Not bad. Owned a 2011 Ninja 250r but swapped it for the CBR 250 R.
    Problem with both bikes is that they are about 25 kg too heavy for
    their class. And the CBR 250 is pig ugly. This new Ninja is qua looks defenitly
    an improvement. But I think next year it’s gonna be a KTM Duke 350.
    And the year after the KTM Moto3 350.

  24. BBQdog says:

    Addition: very nice new cockpit. And I hope on this model one can lower the clip-on’s easy.
    They are much too high for a sportsbike.

  25. Damo says:

    “it priced at around 5400 USD for non abs and 6000 USD for abs version”

    If it comes out at that pricing in the US and EU it will be dead in the water. The CB250R costs $4k out the door and a Ninja650R only costs $7,500 and is much more bike.

    I am sure they will do something to keep the cost around $4,500 here in the states.

  26. A 20% to 33% price increase? Yeah, I’m sure that’ll happen.

  27. Marc F says:

    I know it’s asking for too much, but with their NRE now amortized over 30 years of production, it seems Kawi could do more than add FI, tweak the frame, and swap the plastics. This was not a major update by anyone’s definition but a marketing department. This bike needs to lose 50 lbs, something that can actually make the bike cheaper (less material cost) if it’s done right. CAD, engine design and and production tech have come a long way since the 80s… cheap can be high tech (see CBR250 and CRF250L) and there’s a lot of material that can be removed without resorting to more expensive metallurgy.

  28. Marc, is this a Moto3 rep or a learner-bike? I think some of the expectations here are a little off. Maybe it’s the racy bodywork that’s to blame?

  29. Marc F says:

    Well, first thing is that globally this isn’t a learner bike. It’s at the top of most markets (e.g. Indonesia, where it launched for good reason). Second, are you saying learners couldn’t benefit from a lighter bike? Or how about one that doesn’t break $800 in plastics when they inevitably drop it?

    I’m not suggesting more power or more expense. I’m suggesting Kawi put on their big boy pants and start from a clean slate using 2012 technology to design a better global 250 / American learner bike. With their resources, a 30hp, 300lbs bike with decent fit and finish at sub $5000 is absolutely achievable. They already do the 28hp, 300lbs KLX250S at $5100 with alloy swingarm, USD cartridge forks, separate subframe, and a torquey liquid-cooled single.

  30. Hellas says:

    @Damo: It should be much more cheaper in US/EU. It cost $5400 and $6000 in Indonesia coz of their expensive tax. U could imagine Ninja 650R cost around $11.000 there and Honda CBR 1000RR Fireblade at around $40.000.

    @Marc F: It’s not exactly at the top but more likely affordable to Indonesian. Indonesian tax regulation made most motorcycle with >250cc engine, cost 3-4 times more than US/EU. The government classify bike with >250cc engine is luxury item, so you need to pay more tax for that.

  31. FYI in about 50% of your posts on your site, pinterest.com doesn’t work properly, either the photos are so large you have to spend 10 minutes trying to find the edge of the screen, so you can find the button, or they show up as blank when you click on the pinterest button, thereby making it impossible to share most of the photos you post. As is the case in this post.

    To the IT person who set this up, you need to remove it completely and just allow people to use their own pinterest to access your photos. . I suggested since you have no uniform method for adding photos. It’s very annoying and stops me and I’m sure hundreds of thousands of others from connecting to your site. So get it together.

  32. ashish says:

    looks great , how the price is also comparingly to cbr 250

  33. MikeD says:

    Marc F says:

    I know it’s asking for too much, but with their NRE now amortized over 30 years of production, it seems Kawi could do more than add FI, tweak the frame, and swap the plastics. This was not a major update by anyone’s definition but a marketing department. This bike needs to lose 50 lbs, something that can actually make the bike cheaper (less material cost) if it’s done right. CAD, engine design and and production tech have come a long way since the 80s… cheap can be high tech (see CBR250 and CRF250L) and there’s a lot of material that can be removed without resorting to more expensive metallurgy.With their resources, a 30hp, 300lbs bike with decent fit and finish at sub $5000 is absolutely achievable. They already do the 28hp, 300lbs KLX250S at $5100 with alloy swingarm, USD cartridge forks, separate subframe, and a torquey liquid-cooled single.

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    +1 my good Sir…specially that backyard made steel leftover swing arm and sphagetti steel frame.
    Im ok with the Engine…i just think the whole frame/suspension parts came from the early 80′s.
    New clothes….SAME OLD Hanger.
    Could we AT LEAST get EFI & OPTIONAL ABS this time around ? (-_-)’

    Maybe im asking way too much here too…but the picture i have in my head would be this:

    http://www.sportbikez.net/bikepics/110/medium/1105481225.jpg

    with the Kawasaki’s motor. One hell of a frame and cycle part (room to grow ?)(able to handle up to 60hp ?) + some racy new plastics (like the ones this “new” Kawi is sporting)… ?

    Just this guys idea…i don’t have a clue about building, designing or selling to the masses.

  34. MikeD says:

    Jensen Beeler says:
    August 2, 2012 at 11:34 AM
    I think some of the expectations here are a little off. Maybe it’s the racy bodywork that’s to blame?
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    I’m affraid ur right Sir. Count me in on that group.

    Man, im really diggin the white version…lol.

  35. Keith says:

    All new cyl and pistons, new crankcase…same old crank and gear though. FI is standard, all new exhaust system, the aero work has gotten even better (boggle) over all as much upgrading without doing an entire ground up redesign…we can ignore the ABS because really, at this size it isn’t a big improvement. Oh and it gained 15+ lbs.

    All in all big improvements…can’t understand why anyone who’d whine except maybe the jealous or those who think only liter sized motorcycles matter.

  36. MikeD says:

    @Keith:

    Ahh….u seem to be part of the ” easely amused/get absorbed by/shut up and take my money” target focus group that Kawasaki is chasing with this rehashed, clapped out old bones excuse for a motorcycle on the year 2012.
    EFI is not standard (just in some markets)…USA seems to be undisclosed yet.
    I bet your girl tells herself everyday she’s luckiest woman alive to ever have walked the surface of The Earth after finding u……u seem to be SO LOW MAINTENANCE & EASILY ENTERTAINED !
    Please don’t ride anything bigger and higher quality than a 250…it could upset the balance of ” Keith Universe ” for all we know.

  37. Ryan says:

    My first bike was an 07 Ninja 250. That bike was absolutely fantastic and allowed me to ride thousands upon thousands of enjoyable miles. Combined with other amazing experiences with KLRs and ZZRs, I will always have a soft spot for Kawi. I love the look of the new 250, especially in white. A white 250 was my dream “first bike”, but that wasn’t an option back then. MikeD, I hate to say it but I’m with Keith on this one. What competitor to this bike offers more?

  38. MikeD says:

    @Ryan:

    I’ll give this much……currently nothing much out there comes close to the CBR250R and Ninja250 IN the USA.
    Not in this price range anyways…not until Aprilia or KTM ring anything similar this side of the Atlantic Ocean…and even those won’t be cheap….HELL ! This Ninja im sure it will be 5Gs !

    But…….just because there’s not enough rivals it doesn’t meant u shouldn’t try and DO YOUR BEST.
    Besides aestetics the KLX250S seems like a more solid, modern & well thought out product that this rehashed Ninja 250…and thats saying A LOT since the thing is not even a sport bike…….. BUT A street legal DIRT BIKE ? GASP!

    Marc F sure put that one out there for all of us to think twice about it…i know it made me.

    I think is a FINE BUDGET Bike…i just get a little HOT when people speak of it as it were a friggin RSV4 APRC or MV Agusta F4RR…or “a whole NEW bike” at that just cause of new plastics, new wheel design and some engine casting changes.
    Is the same old Cheap Hooker with fresh-er make-up.
    A reliable BUDGET BIKE that KHI could have done it better just by digging a little deeper on the parts bin by RE-USING parts that they already use…no more unnecesary xpensive R&D.

    And just to be clear on something…i still love the little thing…im just not blinded by her “new tricks and farkles”.

  39. “I bet your girl tells herself everyday she’s luckiest woman alive to ever have walked the surface of The Earth after finding u……u seem to be SO LOW MAINTENANCE & EASILY ENTERTAINED !
    Please don’t ride anything bigger and higher quality than a 250…it could upset the balance of ” Keith Universe ” for all we know.”

    Jeeze, Mike, lighten up. I warned you about going off your meds!

  40. MikeD says:

    @Trane:

    Sorry dude……..now where the hell i put that pack of 800mg Midol Tablets…I think my Period is on full swing today. LOL.

    P.S: I pitty the fools that will be around me if i ever need to go under the pills influence or run out of it…At the moment none needed (fingers crossed). {^_^}

  41. SaracenZ says:

    damn!!! i just bought kawasaki ninja 250efi…then I saw this new bike :(

  42. cyberoader says:

    Indonesia market for the 2008-2012 ninja 250r is up to 40% out of global market share. That’s the reason why this bike will be launched there. Also the 2013 Ninja 250R is already equipped with Fuel Injection. Check this out: http://tmcblog.com/2012/08/04/english-version-first-ride-impression-2013-kawasaki-ninja-250-fi/

  43. MikeD says:

    @Cyberoader:

    40% of the global demand ? WOW, this 250 must be feeling like royalty in Indonesia…is this like the equivalent of a ZX-14R or ZX-10R over there ?
    Cool, the more small fries they sell world wide the more $$$ for R&D on bigger machines…(^_^)…call me selfish…lol.
    Is it October already ? Can’t wait to see the “new” models for 2013 !

  44. cyberoader says:

    @MikeD:

    That’s what I read from our local news.
    It is said few years ago that the riding impression of the 250R just like “riding a superbike”.
    So those who have this bike will have the sensation of ….what you may call it…. prestige…..maybe.
    This October will be ready stock, and the important thing is that the 2013 model will be spread throughout the world. The price would be USD 6,014 (1 USD = 9,462 IDR).

  45. MikeD says:

    I think (hope?) that it will come in at $4500(regular edition) as the current “old” model is ringing at $4200(regular edition) and $4450 for special edition(different paint job)… ( Prices taken from Kawasaki USA Website).

    But things being the way they are i wouldn’t be surprised if they start by asking $4800 for the “new” 250…im not paying that kind of $ for so little bike…no offense…there’s tons of “barely used old” bikes out there…

  46. cyberoader says:

    I have no idea about the price out there, I just played with currency converter. For me to have this kind of bike is only a dream, I just a motogp freak, after all :D.

    I wonder if it has something to do with FI and ABS (brake system) feature?
    But as it is still a rumor, I think Kawasaki will reconsider the price. Internet forum in our country also suggested that the price is expected to reduce up to IDR 45,000,000 (USD 4756) otherwise it is surely unaffordable.

  47. Spot says:

    @MikeD: Yeah, out there. Not here dude. We don’t have plenty of choice here. That 40% of world demand is there because most bikers don’t want to pay 2-3 times normal price for a bigger engine. Would you pay $35.000 to $40.000 for a ZX-10R? (Probably yes if you’re a 2wheelers lover) but imagine most of them still earn the same monthly wage of Indonesian labour which is around USD100/month (yeah USD100/month, you read it right ). Of course, They like to own a “big” one if the government want to reduce/remove that silly hi-end tax for us.

    In Indonesian market, even old bike with engine bigger than 250cc still cost very expensive (mostly more than $12500). I heard used Yamaha R1 production year 1999-2000 still cost more than $18.000. Now you know why they don’t want to own bigger engine. Owning a 250R already filled the sensation of prestige for most biker (like you own ZX-10R / ZX-14R or other bike you think as the hi-end one).

  48. MikeD says:

    Man….all have to say is i feel for the Indonesian riders (35K-40K for a ZX-10R ? WTF ?!) you guys are getting RAPED…no lube no foreplay. (O_O)

    From now on i’ll try to be more thankfull when i think how much i paid and how much bike i got for my $$$ [$3,900= 2003 SV1000N 3942 miles, one owner]…(^_^)

  49. Spot says:

    @MikeD: Good for you ^^. Hope one day, we could also enjoy riding the bike like you got there with affordable price too. Sadly until now, the government don’t want to take care any of it and consider every big engine as luxury items including cars. If we want to buy sport bike we need to import them ourselves or buy it from local importer.

    Also Kawasaki and Suzuki is the only manufacturer which sells big engine bike to the market. Honda and Yamaha only sell mostly commuter bike. But they sell it like crazy here (about 10.000 unit/month lol). You can find Indonesian branding tag in motogp bike like SATU HATI (one heart) on Honda RC213V and Jupiter Z1 tag (underbone bike) on Yamaha M1 even though they don’t sell any sport bike here.

    Back to Ninja 250R talks. I think even with new injection engine, too bad this bike didn’t come with O2 sensor on the exhaust system for local spec. If they included that sensor, this bike would have a better fuel consumption. Others think it’s good since they can swap the exhaust easily without many hassle to be re-tune after the swap.

  50. MikeD says:

    I think even with new injection engine, too bad this bike didn’t come with O2 sensor on the exhaust system for local spec. If they included that sensor, this bike would have a better fuel consumption. Others think it’s good since they can swap the exhaust easily without many hassle to be re-tune after the swap.
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    Both valid points. Personally i think it would be ok both ways, here on the USA we have the power comander that could be used wth something called AutoTune ? that uses a wide band O2 sensor too to constantly calibrate for the best possible performance…don’t know about fuel economy…

    Also, i have heard of people complaining when they open the xhaust the Sensor reading fresh air that leaks into the “open pipe” and totally messing up your fuel-air mix in the process ? All speculation from my part…i do know it does happen on cars (mine has a cracked exaust manifold and leaks fresh air into the stream before the first O2 sensor)…my spark plugs are white…when they should look light brown.

    And then, no sensor………no mess…….less expensive stuff to replace and worry about breaking down.
    Have u seen how much is an O2 replacement sensor for a bike ?

  51. Spot says:

    @MikeD: Not yet since they only starting to sell more injection bike this year. Any hint? Yup, the modification shop here also sell P. Commander V for tuning. If the calibration is right, the fuel consumption should be more efficient.

    Good reminder, by having O2 sensor you have to take care the exhaust to prevent “open pipe” case. Maybe Kawasaki also thinks most biker would change their stock exhaust so they make it “easier” while they can also do cost-cutting for their production.

    The one that disappoint me most is this new bike came with some “cheap” quality plastic (black colour) like the one on chain cover, and around the speedometer.

    You can see it here, there is Indonesian who compared both old and new Ninja:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ8UmbZO0vI

    By the way, a little out of topic. I want to ask about the best way to “break-in” new engine. Which one is the best between following the manual book (don’t rev the engine for 500-1000km) or the hard one (revving it normally starting from low to hi-rpm to get a better piston seal?) ?

  52. MikeD says:

    @Spot:

    Correct, right calibration = clean-eficient yet powerful engine, although a HEAVY RIGHT HAND can render even the must efficient of fine calibrations useless…LOL.

    I doubt Kawasaki did that thinking about us…..more like thinking about their Check Book, is cool…they are a bussiness and bussiness need to make money to survive…so they will cut any cost any possible way…and maybe the emissions laws in Indonesia are not as tight as other markets (Japan, E.U, North America)…so they can skip the extra cost of the O2 Sensor ?

    I’ll give the review a good reading.
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    Breaking In The Engine:

    For ease of mind i recomend, STICKING TO THE BOOK.

    Personally [bear in mind im no engineer or engine designer nor i work for Kawasaki, just another bike aficionado) so *read and act at your own risk*:

    I still would do it by the book BUT i wouldn’t be too worried if i find myself a little over what’s sugested on the Tachometer from time to time.
    I believe the important thing here is VARY the RPM as much as possible, DO NOT overload/lug the engine in a gear too high{low rpm-high speed} and DO NOT RED LINE IT…until u have reached the sugested mileage….and check the oil level OFTEN…breaking in engines tend to burn a bit during that process.

  53. Spot says:

    @MikeD: I don’t know exactly about the emissions laws, possibly max at Euro II with the new vehicle x_x

    I see. Thanks for your opinion. Previously, some bikers suggest to use that hard break in by revving it normally with mineral oil the first 500km (not Over Rev) to get better piston seal. So kinda confused which one is the best. When i got new bike, I still do the same like yours, stick to the manual book with a little off from what suggested. Now I’ll just stick to current way until I got more information proving that hard one is better.. lol

  54. Ambro says:

    I agree with most of the aforementioned comments in regards to the the cheapening effect that’s occurred in the design of the 2013 however, having said that, from a business standpoint, on kawasaki’s end, it makes perfect sense. Sure the plastic faring and covers are using what appears to be cheaper plastics, this could also be due to the added weight from the other components. Also wanted to mention that Indonesia has absurd tax rates. I believe this bike is considered a luxury vehicle and is therefore taxed a bit more. I’d expect the price in the states to be around $4,500 to $5,000, couldn’t imagine much more due to competition from the Honda CBR 250R.

    Anyhow, from all I’ve gathered thus far on this bike, in my opinion, it’s going to be a substantial upgrade to the 2012 model and the Honda CBR 250R. One question remains though, when IS this bike coming to the states. Speculation suggests the tail end of September or even possibly late October. Let’s hope it’s September.

  55. sergio says:

    apartir de que mes ja vai ter a ninja 2013 nas lojas aqui no brasil