Comments on: Mat Mladin: Spies Better Than Rossi http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/mat-mladin-spies-better-than-rossi/ Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:17:55 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: BLACKMQQN http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/mat-mladin-spies-better-than-rossi/#comment-12343 BLACKMQQN Sun, 29 Aug 2010 03:03:34 +0000 http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=9455#comment-12343 I'M GLAD MAT DIDN'T MENTION HIS OWN NAME IN THE CONVERSATION. IMAGINE ROSSI EVER SAYING SOMEONE ELSE WAS BETTER THAN HE. HELL, YOU CAN TAKE CAPAROSSI OUT OF THE MOTOGP ON A SUZUKI AND BE A CHAMPION IN THE AMA SUPERBIKE SERIES. I’M GLAD MAT DIDN’T MENTION HIS OWN NAME IN THE CONVERSATION. IMAGINE ROSSI EVER SAYING SOMEONE ELSE WAS BETTER THAN HE. HELL, YOU CAN TAKE CAPAROSSI OUT OF THE MOTOGP ON A SUZUKI AND BE A CHAMPION IN THE AMA SUPERBIKE SERIES.

]]> By: Laducsp http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/mat-mladin-spies-better-than-rossi/#comment-12339 Laducsp Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:20:34 +0000 http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=9455#comment-12339 He's not "better", he's "different". He has aggression, acuity, skill and fearlessness that credits Mladin more than even his clear innate skill racing a motorcycle. See, Mladin's one of, if not the, toughest, intimidating and dominating racers ever. After Spies' tutelage under the Mladin menace, he's become virtually unstoppable. It's really as if he's racing purely in his own head, and it doesn't matter where he is, or who's racing alongside him, he's going to go as fast as humanly possible and past whatever's in front of him. Period. Rossi has a total mental stranglehold on the entire field. Spies is the only one who couldn't care less! Rossi, or no Rossi, just like mladin taught him, he's gonna cream the field whenever he can! He’s not “better”, he’s “different”. He has aggression, acuity, skill and fearlessness that credits Mladin more than even his clear innate skill racing a motorcycle. See, Mladin’s one of, if not the, toughest, intimidating and dominating racers ever. After Spies’ tutelage under the Mladin menace, he’s become virtually unstoppable. It’s really as if he’s racing purely in his own head, and it doesn’t matter where he is, or who’s racing alongside him, he’s going to go as fast as humanly possible and past whatever’s in front of him. Period. Rossi has a total mental stranglehold on the entire field. Spies is the only one who couldn’t care less! Rossi, or no Rossi, just like mladin taught him, he’s gonna cream the field whenever he can!

]]> By: Jono http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/mat-mladin-spies-better-than-rossi/#comment-11326 Jono Sun, 15 Aug 2010 04:31:34 +0000 http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=9455#comment-11326 Well said J. Looking forward to tonights race!! Well said J. Looking forward to tonights race!!

]]> By: J http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/mat-mladin-spies-better-than-rossi/#comment-8114 J Sun, 27 Jun 2010 00:12:39 +0000 http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=9455#comment-8114 I have read all of these posts and to be honest I agree with some but as a fan of bike racing in general and a fan of no particular rider it baffles me that people on here are doubting Rossi's talent. The reason all the other guys look mediocre is because he is so good and it was the same things said about doohan when he was racing. Bottom line is if you get lap records and titles you are the best. Biaggi and Capirossi raced Doohan but Rossi was too strong for them like Doohan was. The best always wins and with 9 world titles who can argue with that. Spies is good but how good remains to be seen. Same go's for Lorenzo to. Rember Criville? he won the title when Doohan could not race but went to pieces after that so anyone that can stay on top as long as Rossi has is nothing to be taken for granted. The M1 was made competitive by the whole team and remember the rider has to be able to use whats under him. Perfect example Stoners 2007 Ducati clearly the fastest bike on the grid but only Stoners talent could win on it. I would also like to point out that Rossi has never lost a title in a straight fight. 2006 it was tyre and bike reliability and anyone who thinks Nicky Hayden out raced Rossi needs an eye test. If you challenge that statement just review the season and see where Valentino was on a number of occations when he was forced to retire a race due to reliability, add up the points and you will see that Nicky would never have been in the running. 2007 similar story except this time it was due to a slower bike. Fairplay to Stoner for mastering it but if your on a similar bike to Rossi performance wise, odds are you will lose. Jorge Lorenzo has been great to watch as he has raw speed and a burning desire to be the best and has re-motivated Rossi into producing some awesome performances but despite being behind early in the season I honestly believe that under pressure Rossi is too strong for Lorenzo and I think he would have still won the title this year. Lorenzo, Spies and Stoner are the future but since they all measure themselves against Valentino all your opinions have been answered by the best qualified people in the business like it or not. As regards seeing him in Superbikes, the best will always win no matter what. When he did the Suzuka 8 hourson production bikes he was fastest (even Colin Edwards commented on it as he thought it would have been the other way around). Racing always produces exceptionally talented individuals from time to time and Rossi is one of them if not the best. Would he have beaten Doohan etc? of course he would have but in turn they would also have beaten him such is their talent. I look forward to Rossi's return as it seems for now only he is able to run with Jorge. Like him or not guys his achievements speak for themselves but like all records someday, somebody will beat them. Have your favourites if that's how you like to do it but don't let favouritism cloud your judgement. Some of the best racers of all time have even declared him the best so far, who are we to argue with that. Cheers for reading my opinion and here is to great racing in Gp or WSB! I have read all of these posts and to be honest I agree with some but as a fan of bike racing in general and a fan of no particular rider it baffles me that people on here are doubting Rossi’s talent.

The reason all the other guys look mediocre is because he is so good and it was the same things said about doohan when he was racing. Bottom line is if you get lap records and titles you are the best. Biaggi and Capirossi raced Doohan but Rossi was too strong for them like Doohan was. The best always wins and with 9 world titles who can argue with that.

Spies is good but how good remains to be seen. Same go’s for Lorenzo to. Rember Criville? he won the title when Doohan could not race but went to pieces after that so anyone that can stay on top as long as Rossi has is nothing to be taken for granted.

The M1 was made competitive by the whole team and remember the rider has to be able to use whats under him. Perfect example Stoners 2007 Ducati clearly the fastest bike on the grid but only Stoners talent could win on it. I would also like to point out that Rossi has never lost a title in a straight fight.

2006 it was tyre and bike reliability and anyone who thinks Nicky Hayden out raced Rossi needs an eye test. If you challenge that statement just review the season and see where Valentino was on a number of occations when he was forced to retire a race due to reliability, add up the points and you will see that Nicky would never have been in the running.

2007 similar story except this time it was due to a slower bike. Fairplay to Stoner for mastering it but if your on a similar bike to Rossi performance wise, odds are you will lose. Jorge Lorenzo has been great to watch as he has raw speed and a burning desire to be the best and has re-motivated Rossi into producing some awesome performances but despite being behind early in the season I honestly believe that under pressure Rossi is too strong for Lorenzo and I think he would have still won the title this year.

Lorenzo, Spies and Stoner are the future but since they all measure themselves against Valentino all your opinions have been answered by the best qualified people in the business like it or not. As regards seeing him in Superbikes, the best will always win no matter what. When he did the Suzuka 8 hourson production bikes he was fastest (even Colin Edwards commented on it as he thought it would have been the other way around).

Racing always produces exceptionally talented individuals from time to time and Rossi is one of them if not the best. Would he have beaten Doohan etc? of course he would have but in turn they would also have beaten him such is their talent. I look forward to Rossi’s return as it seems for now only he is able to run with Jorge.

Like him or not guys his achievements speak for themselves but like all records someday, somebody will beat them. Have your favourites if that’s how you like to do it but don’t let favouritism cloud your judgement. Some of the best racers of all time have even declared him the best so far, who are we to argue with that.

Cheers for reading my opinion and here is to great racing in Gp or WSB!

]]> By: hutch http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/mat-mladin-spies-better-than-rossi/#comment-7669 hutch Fri, 18 Jun 2010 03:37:19 +0000 http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=9455#comment-7669 i think keet should get a grip and stop talking so much b.s. and learn ,A manners , B respect and c to talk about something he actually know's about, when all of the mentioned riders including aggo cite's rossi as the best rider the sport has produced with the best natural talent and burgess see him soley responsable for the M1 improvement , so keet you should be keeping your amature and ignorant mouth shut about a sport you clearly don't yet understand, i met him at the TT last year and it was a shame he couldn't make it this year, but two other GREATS of the sport did i think keet should get a grip and stop talking so much b.s. and learn ,A manners , B respect and c to talk about something he actually know’s about, when all of the mentioned riders including aggo cite’s rossi as the best rider the sport has produced with the best natural talent and burgess see him soley responsable for the M1 improvement , so keet you should be keeping your amature and ignorant mouth shut about a sport you clearly don’t yet understand, i met him at the TT last year and it was a shame he couldn’t make it this year, but two other GREATS of the sport did

]]> By: Jono http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/mat-mladin-spies-better-than-rossi/#comment-6841 Jono Thu, 27 May 2010 02:39:40 +0000 http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=9455#comment-6841 Both riders are good. Rossi continues to perform at the twilight of his career against riders much younger. It remains to be seen whether Ben or anyone else can amass wins at 30! Mick was also an outstanding rider and along with his peers has made comments about how good Valention is. All of the great champions have recognised his ability and they should know right... . Not one of them has made negative comments about his sheer talent and ability. I take nothing away from Ben but he has yet to prove himself in Moto Gp and we will need to wait and see. Both riders are good. Rossi continues to perform at the twilight of his career against riders much younger. It remains to be seen whether Ben or anyone else can amass wins at 30! Mick was also an outstanding rider and along with his peers has made comments about how good Valention is. All of the great champions have recognised his ability and they should know right… . Not one of them has made negative comments about his sheer talent and ability. I take nothing away from Ben but he has yet to prove himself in Moto Gp and we will need to wait and see.

]]> By: gts http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/mat-mladin-spies-better-than-rossi/#comment-5847 gts Thu, 22 Apr 2010 04:42:11 +0000 http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=9455#comment-5847 Rossi has been pushed in the last few years, and been beaten. Hayden has beaten him once, Stoner once - and would have been twice if he hadn't gotten sick. So, that would make it 3 of the last 4 years. He just happens to me the most consistent. Still a great rider mind you. Rossi has been pushed in the last few years, and been beaten. Hayden has beaten him once, Stoner once – and would have been twice if he hadn’t gotten sick. So, that would make it 3 of the last 4 years. He just happens to me the most consistent. Still a great rider mind you.

]]> By: awdslim http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/mat-mladin-spies-better-than-rossi/#comment-5616 awdslim Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:02:39 +0000 http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=9455#comment-5616 spies and rossi were brought up on two different sides of the world in two very different approaches to road racing. while rossi had the quicker easier way to make it to the world stage (by already being in Europe), spies had to work his way up to the hard to earn factory seat. AMA is no slouch when it comes to talent that spies had to contend with and some former wsbk champs (Russel, bayliss, corser, kasinski, hodgeson and even former gp champ nick Hayden) can agree with that. Up untill 5 years ago AMA rivaled wsbk for being the best sbk class in the world with guys like the haydens, the bostroms, duhamel, maladin, yates, hacking, Chandler, gobert, hodgeson and the list goes on. while ben was coming up thru the AMA pro ranks he still has 6 titles to his name. they may not be world titles but 5 of those were on big bikes with one being wsbk. 5 years racing against maladin was the best thing for spies. who knows how many wsbk titles mat could have won but look what he taught ben. you gotta give props to ben for winning 14 of 28 races on 99% of tracks he hadn't even seen in his rookie year!!!. that's half of the races!!! I think rossi is a beast but think how many world titles he would have if he came thru America. yes ben has the talent. do I think he is better than rossi? no... but I do think he has equal talent and drive. with gp going back to 1000cc next year I think spies has a really strong chance at winning the gp title the same as rossi did his 2nd year. spies and rossi were brought up on two different sides of the world in two very different approaches to road racing. while rossi had the quicker easier way to make it to the world stage (by already being in Europe), spies had to work his way up to the hard to earn factory seat. AMA is no slouch when it comes to talent that spies had to contend with and some former wsbk champs (Russel, bayliss, corser, kasinski, hodgeson and even former gp champ nick Hayden) can agree with that. Up untill 5 years ago AMA rivaled wsbk for being the best sbk class in the world with guys like the haydens, the bostroms, duhamel, maladin, yates, hacking, Chandler, gobert, hodgeson and the list goes on. while ben was coming up thru the AMA pro ranks he still has 6 titles to his name. they may not be world titles but 5 of those were on big bikes with one being wsbk. 5 years racing against maladin was the best thing for spies. who knows how many wsbk titles mat could have won but look what he taught ben. you gotta give props to ben for winning 14 of 28 races on 99% of tracks he hadn’t even seen in his rookie year!!!. that’s half of the races!!! I think rossi is a beast but think how many world titles he would have if he came thru America. yes ben has the talent. do I think he is better than rossi? no… but I do think he has equal talent and drive. with gp going back to 1000cc next year I think spies has a really strong chance at winning the gp title the same as rossi did his 2nd year.

]]> By: Maxx http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/mat-mladin-spies-better-than-rossi/#comment-5296 Maxx Sun, 04 Apr 2010 16:17:05 +0000 http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=9455#comment-5296 Come on man admit it who has pushed "monkey boy" for all of these years..???? mmmmmmmmm............???????? I can't really think of anyone really yes there are good racers in gp's but no ones pushed him and that just makes him look good I suppose. Lorenzo will be back again this to push even harder I hope other wise it's just going to the usual S**T..!!. (I'm not doing this to wind up anyone it's just a friendly bit of banter among race fans....) As for the 2 strokes I agree with u. Come on man admit it who has pushed “monkey boy” for all of these years..???? mmmmmmmmm…………???????? I can’t really think of anyone really yes there are good racers in gp’s but no ones pushed him and that just makes him look good I suppose. Lorenzo will be back again this to push even harder I hope other wise it’s just going to the usual S**T..!!.

(I’m not doing this to wind up anyone it’s just a friendly bit of banter among race fans….)

As for the 2 strokes I agree with u.

]]> By: Valendino http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/mat-mladin-spies-better-than-rossi/#comment-5279 Valendino Sun, 04 Apr 2010 00:20:03 +0000 http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=9455#comment-5279 Sorry Maxx, I am not brain washed, I can just reconize talent and I think that all the world titles and lap records prove it. We will have to see if Ben can outdo Valentino on the race track and have more world titles to his name before he retires! I do respect that everyone is entitle to an opinion and it doesn't mean that we all have to agree! As for Moto2 I am not excited about the class and truly beleive that it was invented to kill off Aprilia's dominance in the 250's. Sorry Maxx, I am not brain washed, I can just reconize talent and I think that all the world titles and lap records prove it. We will have to see if Ben can outdo Valentino on the race track and have more world titles to his name before he retires! I do respect that everyone is entitle to an opinion and it doesn’t mean that we all have to agree!
As for Moto2 I am not excited about the class and truly beleive that it was invented to kill off Aprilia’s dominance in the 250’s.

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