<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Ducati Desmosedici Gets Wings for Sachsenring</title> <atom:link href="http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:52:35 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3</generator> <item><title>By: Andera Hausner</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/#comment-9695</link> <dc:creator>Andera Hausner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:15:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=12712#comment-9695</guid> <description>Thank you for the interesting story, even though it did take quite a long time to understand. (English is not my first tongue) Can I ask where you got your sources from? Many thanks!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the interesting story, even though it did take quite a long time to understand. (English is not my first tongue) Can I ask where you got your sources from? Many thanks!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Craig Scarborough</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/#comment-9602</link> <dc:creator>Craig Scarborough</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:31:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=12712#comment-9602</guid> <description>I picked up on these winglets too, Toby Moody told me they were not for downforce simply to reduce lift on the straights.I drew a quick pic to highlight the detail...http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/motogp_ducati.jpgand these pics to highlight the different approaches teams take to their fairingshttp://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/motogp_array.jpg</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I picked up on these winglets too, Toby Moody told me they were not for downforce simply to reduce lift on the straights.</p><p>I drew a quick pic to highlight the detail&#8230;</p><p><a href="http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/motogp_ducati.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/motogp_ducati.jpg</a></p><p>and these pics to highlight the different approaches teams take to their fairings</p><p><a href="http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/motogp_array.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/motogp_array.jpg</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ladyhawke82</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/#comment-70147</link> <dc:creator>ladyhawke82</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:07:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=12712#comment-70147</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @Asphalt_Rubber #Ducati Desmosedici Gets Wings for Sachsenring - http://aspha.lt/16f #motorcycle&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @Asphalt_Rubber #Ducati Desmosedici Gets Wings for Sachsenring &#8211; <a href="http://aspha.lt/16f" rel="nofollow">http://aspha.lt/16f</a> #motorcycle</span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shaswata Panja</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/#comment-9460</link> <dc:creator>Shaswata Panja</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:13:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=12712#comment-9460</guid> <description>The authority on motorcycle downforce is Tony Foale As a lot of people sugggested you need movable aerodynamics please take a look at the second half of this article http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/Aerodynamics/AERO.htm</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The authority on motorcycle downforce is Tony Foale As a lot of people sugggested you need movable aerodynamics please take a look at the second half of this article <a href="http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/Aerodynamics/AERO.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/Aerodynamics/AERO.htm</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ralph</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/#comment-9457</link> <dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:28:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=12712#comment-9457</guid> <description>It&#039;s no good Jen... Jen talk to me. hahaSo much for Top Gun!The Yamaha YZR 500cc bikes had wings too in &#039;99. Didn&#039;t help Gary McCoy btw. or was he traveling to much sideways?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s no good Jen&#8230; Jen talk to me.<br /> haha</p><p>So much for Top Gun!</p><p>The Yamaha YZR 500cc bikes had wings too in &#8217;99.<br /> Didn&#8217;t help Gary McCoy btw. or was he traveling to much sideways?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gildas</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/#comment-9442</link> <dc:creator>Gildas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:49:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=12712#comment-9442</guid> <description>After looking a them and had a nice long coffee (black, strong, one sugar) this is my two cent worth:It&#039;s not a  down force system... It&#039;s a vortex splitter.The air moving down with the wheel hits air going backwards on the lip of the mud guard, this creates a vortex that hits the bike where the wing is. This vortex probably climbs into the low pressure zone behind the rider. This probably does no hinder the bike when going straight (even adds speed by lowering drag). But leaning over it probably has a moment of instability when compressed by the ground. The vortex probably switches going over then under the rider being first a &quot;air cushion&quot; then &quot;ground effect&quot; thus loading and unloading the front wheel = high speed unstability.Actually, making a serrated edge  on the front mud guard would be more effective...In this age of super computers, modelling and calculated fluid dynamics, the punter sometimes forget that some aero problems cannot be modeled or the computer gets it plain wrong. Buffeting chief amongst them.How do i post a 2 cent picture of what should be done to that mudguard?G</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After looking a them and had a nice long coffee (black, strong, one sugar) this is my two cent worth:</p><p>It&#8217;s not a  down force system&#8230; It&#8217;s a vortex splitter.</p><p>The air moving down with the wheel hits air going backwards on the lip of the mud guard, this creates a vortex that hits the bike where the wing is.<br /> This vortex probably climbs into the low pressure zone behind the rider. This probably does no hinder the bike when going straight (even adds speed by lowering drag). But leaning over it probably has a moment of instability when compressed by the ground. The vortex probably switches going over then under the rider being first a &#8220;air cushion&#8221; then &#8220;ground effect&#8221; thus loading and unloading the front wheel = high speed unstability.</p><p>Actually, making a serrated edge  on the front mud guard would be more effective&#8230;</p><p>In this age of super computers, modelling and calculated fluid dynamics, the punter sometimes forget that some aero problems cannot be modeled or the computer gets it plain wrong. Buffeting chief amongst them.</p><p>How do i post a 2 cent picture of what should be done to that mudguard?</p><p>G</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dan Fischer</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/#comment-9429</link> <dc:creator>Dan Fischer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:49:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=12712#comment-9429</guid> <description>The winglets on the Ducati are similar to what we&#039;ve been using on the Fischer MRX</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The winglets on the Ducati are similar to what we&#8217;ve been using on the Fischer MRX</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BikePilot</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/#comment-9428</link> <dc:creator>BikePilot</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:05:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=12712#comment-9428</guid> <description>I like it!Aerodynamic downforce is very useful on a bike, just like on a car.  The trouble is keeping the downforce, DOWNforce because as noted the force vector changes with the bike&#039;s lean angle.I wonder if the racing regulations would allow for movable aerodynamic panels? If so, I think we will see before long deployable  &quot;wings&quot; on the sides of the bikes that operate primarily when the bike is at a significant lean-angle.As for the wings, they could easily generate a few lbs of downforce at speed and positioned out front like that even say 10lbs could make a significant difference in keeping the front end plated.  At the speeds the bike will reach they may well generate quite a lot more force than that I&#039;d guess.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it!</p><p>Aerodynamic downforce is very useful on a bike, just like on a car.  The trouble is keeping the downforce, DOWNforce because as noted the force vector changes with the bike&#8217;s lean angle.</p><p>I wonder if the racing regulations would allow for movable aerodynamic panels? If so, I think we will see before long deployable  &#8220;wings&#8221; on the sides of the bikes that operate primarily when the bike is at a significant lean-angle.</p><p>As for the wings, they could easily generate a few lbs of downforce at speed and positioned out front like that even say 10lbs could make a significant difference in keeping the front end plated.  At the speeds the bike will reach they may well generate quite a lot more force than that I&#8217;d guess.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steven Oliver</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/#comment-9421</link> <dc:creator>Steven Oliver</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:48:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=12712#comment-9421</guid> <description>Wings only create noticeable downforce once you reach a fairly high speed. I would imagine wings of this size probably have little to no effect on the ride in curves because they&#039;re not going fast enough for them to make a meaningful amount of downforce. Frankly, I can&#039;t imagine those wings are anywhere near big enough to combat the wheelies created by the torque. Quieting the air going in/around the fairings though; that I can see.I would have to argue, personally, that downforce is probably more or less worthless on a bike. First look at how big wings are on cars (like in F1). Then consider how far over a MotoGP rider leans going around a curve. Your wing then becomes very limited size wise on a bike; after all you can&#039;t have that thing dragging the pavement. Where would even you put a wing on a bike to increase your speed around a curve if you were at full lean? Not to mention wings slow you down down the straight.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wings only create noticeable downforce once you reach a fairly high speed. I would imagine wings of this size probably have little to no effect on the ride in curves because they&#8217;re not going fast enough for them to make a meaningful amount of downforce. Frankly, I can&#8217;t imagine those wings are anywhere near big enough to combat the wheelies created by the torque. Quieting the air going in/around the fairings though; that I can see.</p><p>I would have to argue, personally, that downforce is probably more or less worthless on a bike. First look at how big wings are on cars (like in F1). Then consider how far over a MotoGP rider leans going around a curve. Your wing then becomes very limited size wise on a bike; after all you can&#8217;t have that thing dragging the pavement. Where would even you put a wing on a bike to increase your speed around a curve if you were at full lean? Not to mention wings slow you down down the straight.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: KK</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp10-wings-sachsenring/#comment-9420</link> <dc:creator>KK</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:44:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=12712#comment-9420</guid> <description>While i agree on the excitement factor this week, it just sucks that it had to involve ppl breaking bones. i hate to see that but yeah, and awesome race over all</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While i agree on the excitement factor this week, it just sucks that it had to involve ppl breaking bones. i hate to see that but yeah, and awesome race over all</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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