<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Tradition Is Not A Business Model: Zero Motorcycles</title> <atom:link href="http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:52:35 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3</generator> <item><title>By: Biker Pros</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/#comment-3911</link> <dc:creator>Biker Pros</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:54:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=5358#comment-3911</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. - Shift to electric motorcycles - Company Overview http://bit.ly/vUrYG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. &#8211; Shift to electric motorcycles &#8211; Company Overview <a href="http://bit.ly/vUrYG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/vUrYG</a></span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Edge</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/#comment-3912</link> <dc:creator>Edge</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:08:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=5358#comment-3912</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. - Shift to electric motorcycles - Company Overview http://bit.ly/vUrYG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. &#8211; Shift to electric motorcycles &#8211; Company Overview <a href="http://bit.ly/vUrYG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/vUrYG</a></span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brass Balls Bobbers</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/#comment-3913</link> <dc:creator>Brass Balls Bobbers</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:08:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=5358#comment-3913</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. - Shift to electric motorcycles - Company Overview http://bit.ly/vUrYG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. &#8211; Shift to electric motorcycles &#8211; Company Overview <a href="http://bit.ly/vUrYG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/vUrYG</a></span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: aeromachusa</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/#comment-3914</link> <dc:creator>aeromachusa</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:06:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=5358#comment-3914</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. - Shift to electric motorcycles - Company Overview http://bit.ly/vUrYG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. &#8211; Shift to electric motorcycles &#8211; Company Overview <a href="http://bit.ly/vUrYG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/vUrYG</a></span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aaron Whitney</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/#comment-3915</link> <dc:creator>Aaron Whitney</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:08:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=5358#comment-3915</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. - Shift to electric motorcycles - Company Overview http://bit.ly/vUrYG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. &#8211; Shift to electric motorcycles &#8211; Company Overview <a href="http://bit.ly/vUrYG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/vUrYG</a></span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bikernetstudio</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/#comment-3916</link> <dc:creator>bikernetstudio</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:06:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=5358#comment-3916</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. - Shift to electric motorcycles - Company Overview http://bit.ly/vUrYG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Zero Motorcycle, located Santa Cruz, California. &#8211; Shift to electric motorcycles &#8211; Company Overview <a href="http://bit.ly/vUrYG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/vUrYG</a></span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jar_o_flies</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/#comment-1379</link> <dc:creator>jar_o_flies</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:34:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=5358#comment-1379</guid> <description>&quot;Technology will flatten the market share of motorcycle sales&quot; - so, the expectation is for Emoto, produced by those other than the Big4, to capture a certain percentage of existing motorcycle market, thereby reducing the total share each of the Big4 holds of that market?  This neglects &quot;new riders&quot;, and I&#039;m assuming here, also those who perhaps would&#039;ve purchased a scooter, and instead purchased an emoto - and keeps the total pool of motorcycle riders available looking the same, just riding a different motorcycle.Let&#039;s say I agree with that, but at what point is this &quot;flattening&quot; unacceptable to the Big4 such that they do something about it, which would either be introducing their own product (which they are surely working on - if Honda has the time to pursue electric unicycles, surely they have capacity of some sufficient resource looking into altenative powertrain for their motorbikes), or as you stated, partner/absorb the existing offerings in the market?  To me, this is the big question.Let&#039;s say Zero&#039;s plan works perfectly, and tomorrow they reveal a product that in everyway compares well with the performance of 600cc sportbikes - with all the advantages an E powertrain brings to the table.  Let&#039;s say they also, just as magically, have a dealer and service network in place to distribute and service this silver bullet vehicle - or at least something that performs as a conventional support network.  In 2008 sportbike sales in the US were 165K units (this includes triumph, BMW, Ducati, and KTM as well), of which displacements of 501cc-750cc amounted to 82K amongst this group.  What % of that figure starts to mean something to the existing players?More importantly, what % of that figure does Zero feel they need to capture to sustain existance?  Production volume significantly impacts any company&#039;s business case, and we&#039;ve seen no discussion of this point in the article.  At $7500, the least expensive MSRP of Zero&#039;s current offerings, how many must be sold to break even?  At 1000 units (roughly 1% of current market, so .25% of sales to each of the Big4 - think they will care?  They&#039;ll just sell more T-shirts), assuming Zero&#039;s cost to be somewhere around 1/2 MSRP, and considering they are shipping via UPS (so no dealer cut in margin), gross sales would be around 3.5million - not a bad nut, except I&#039;m sure those silicon valley digs (however non-descript), and silicon valley IT, EE, and ME types don&#039;t come cheap - which altogether leaves precious little $$$ to pursue product development, which is probably the most important aspect of this sector.At the end of the day, I fail to see how such a player will change the industry.  A functional Emoto with perfomance characteristics similar or close to existing ICE vehicles will change the industry, but only in as much as we will have another option along side of 2&#039;s, 3&#039;s, 4&#039;s, and 6&#039;s.......unless, of course, the vehicle delivers competive performance (or superior) and is vastly less expensive, or through electronic gimmickery provides some other novel advantage unavailable to ICE vehicles.Two guys will change the face of the motorcycle industry in the next decade.  I don&#039;t know their names, and there is a good chance they will not be directly employed by a motorcycle manufacturer.  They will be the motor guy and the battery guy, names to be determined later.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Technology will flatten the market share of motorcycle sales&#8221; &#8211; so, the expectation is for Emoto, produced by those other than the Big4, to capture a certain percentage of existing motorcycle market, thereby reducing the total share each of the Big4 holds of that market?  This neglects &#8220;new riders&#8221;, and I&#8217;m assuming here, also those who perhaps would&#8217;ve purchased a scooter, and instead purchased an emoto &#8211; and keeps the total pool of motorcycle riders available looking the same, just riding a different motorcycle.</p><p>Let&#8217;s say I agree with that, but at what point is this &#8220;flattening&#8221; unacceptable to the Big4 such that they do something about it, which would either be introducing their own product (which they are surely working on &#8211; if Honda has the time to pursue electric unicycles, surely they have capacity of some sufficient resource looking into altenative powertrain for their motorbikes), or as you stated, partner/absorb the existing offerings in the market?  To me, this is the big question.</p><p>Let&#8217;s say Zero&#8217;s plan works perfectly, and tomorrow they reveal a product that in everyway compares well with the performance of 600cc sportbikes &#8211; with all the advantages an E powertrain brings to the table.  Let&#8217;s say they also, just as magically, have a dealer and service network in place to distribute and service this silver bullet vehicle &#8211; or at least something that performs as a conventional support network.  In 2008 sportbike sales in the US were 165K units (this includes triumph, BMW, Ducati, and KTM as well), of which displacements of 501cc-750cc amounted to 82K amongst this group.  What % of that figure starts to mean something to the existing players?</p><p>More importantly, what % of that figure does Zero feel they need to capture to sustain existance?  Production volume significantly impacts any company&#8217;s business case, and we&#8217;ve seen no discussion of this point in the article.  At $7500, the least expensive MSRP of Zero&#8217;s current offerings, how many must be sold to break even?  At 1000 units (roughly 1% of current market, so .25% of sales to each of the Big4 &#8211; think they will care?  They&#8217;ll just sell more T-shirts), assuming Zero&#8217;s cost to be somewhere around 1/2 MSRP, and considering they are shipping via UPS (so no dealer cut in margin), gross sales would be around 3.5million &#8211; not a bad nut, except I&#8217;m sure those silicon valley digs (however non-descript), and silicon valley IT, EE, and ME types don&#8217;t come cheap &#8211; which altogether leaves precious little $$$ to pursue product development, which is probably the most important aspect of this sector.</p><p>At the end of the day, I fail to see how such a player will change the industry.  A functional Emoto with perfomance characteristics similar or close to existing ICE vehicles will change the industry, but only in as much as we will have another option along side of 2&#8242;s, 3&#8242;s, 4&#8242;s, and 6&#8242;s&#8230;&#8230;.unless, of course, the vehicle delivers competive performance (or superior) and is vastly less expensive, or through electronic gimmickery provides some other novel advantage unavailable to ICE vehicles.</p><p>Two guys will change the face of the motorcycle industry in the next decade.  I don&#8217;t know their names, and there is a good chance they will not be directly employed by a motorcycle manufacturer.  They will be the motor guy and the battery guy, names to be determined later.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: skadamo</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/#comment-1372</link> <dc:creator>skadamo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:52:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=5358#comment-1372</guid> <description>This piece is telling me electric technology will flatten (probably temporarily) the market share of motorcycle sales. Right now a disproportionally small number of brands enjoy a large percentage of the sales. Zero is grabbing a piece and if they can deliver a better product long term with the right business model and services (clear your mind of motorcycle industry cliche) they can become the new leader.I think this flattening was going to happen anyway with KTM grabbing more sales from the big 4 in dirt bikes. Chinese grabbing sales from low displacement bikes and scooters. Electric will cause this to happen faster. The Big 4 will partner up with the people taking their market share. They have been doing it with the Chinese, Taiwanese and others for quite a while now. I hope Zero, Brammo and others can move fast enough and smart enough to become a big brand and not get sucked up by big $. Pay days are nice but a big American motorcycle brand other than Harley would be cool.I like this article because it really got my mind spinning about how the industry will change over the next decade.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece is telling me electric technology will flatten (probably temporarily) the market share of motorcycle sales. Right now a disproportionally small number of brands enjoy a large percentage of the sales. Zero is grabbing a piece and if they can deliver a better product long term with the right business model and services (clear your mind of motorcycle industry cliche) they can become the new leader.</p><p>I think this flattening was going to happen anyway with KTM grabbing more sales from the big 4 in dirt bikes. Chinese grabbing sales from low displacement bikes and scooters. Electric will cause this to happen faster. The Big 4 will partner up with the people taking their market share. They have been doing it with the Chinese, Taiwanese and others for quite a while now. I hope Zero, Brammo and others can move fast enough and smart enough to become a big brand and not get sucked up by big $. Pay days are nice but a big American motorcycle brand other than Harley would be cool.</p><p>I like this article because it really got my mind spinning about how the industry will change over the next decade.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason Carter</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/#comment-1371</link> <dc:creator>Jason Carter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=5358#comment-1371</guid> <description>I&#039;d really like to see Zero and other players in this market produce an affordable high-performance streetbike that can be ridden agressively for a couple of hours before needing a recharge. The motocross style machines are great, but what I want is an electric motorcycle that can do the same job as a 600cc sports bike.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d really like to see Zero and other players in this market produce an affordable high-performance streetbike that can be ridden agressively for a couple of hours before needing a recharge. The motocross style machines are great, but what I want is an electric motorcycle that can do the same job as a 600cc sports bike.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Happy Helmet</title><link>http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/tradition-is-not-a-business-model-zero-motorcycles/#comment-3917</link> <dc:creator>The Happy Helmet</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:22:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/?p=5358#comment-3917</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Tradition Is Not A Business Model: Zero Motorcycles – Asphalt &amp; Rubber: Motorcycle news, Industry Rumors, M.. http://bit.ly/1uhuYH&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Tradition Is Not A Business Model: Zero Motorcycles – Asphalt &amp; Rubber: Motorcycle news, Industry Rumors, M.. <a href="http://bit.ly/1uhuYH" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1uhuYH</a></span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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